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P&P Limited Edition SuperCocker

© Ravi Chopra, 1999

Some months ago, I reviewed P&P’s budget tournament Autococker, the base SuperCocker (see PGI October 1998, #115 or here at my web site). In short, I found it to be a good value for the money (~$700 US), but not the fully featured ’gun that many tournament players want and are willing to pay more for.

Though Cesare has always built high-end Autocockers to order, he’s finally come out with a no-compromises, top-end tournament ’gun to compete with the Westwoods, Twisters, and Evolutions: the P&P Limited Edition SuperCocker. As you’ll see, it not only comes with all the performance and cosmetic features you’d expect, but it tops all other contenders in one area: price. The P&P Limited comes with a coronary-inducing price tag of $1850 US ($1975 with Black Ice Uni-Reg). Sorry, no nitrogen system, VL hopper, or stock options included. This makes P&P’s Limited SuperCocker the single most expensive Autococker I know of.


Those of you who read my article on the base SuperCocker back in October will recognize a lot I have to say here. The biggest change, and it’s a good one, is the addition of P&P’s own .45 frame.

P&P’s .45 frame for the Autococker is, in my opinion, the best one you can currently buy. Its plain-Jane, unadorned, generic .45 appearance hides the best-implemented feature set available in an Autococker frame. First, it is perfectly dimensioned. You’ll have no difficulty getting your Autococker components to drop right in and work smoothly right from the start. As with most aftermarket frames, it includes both a trigger stop (horizontal, behind the trigger) and front trigger guide screw (below the front of the trigger, lifting it up). In addition, the P&P frame adds the rear trigger-guide screw that Cesare has to custom-install in the stock frames that go on his base SuperCocker. This rear screw, when properly installed and adjusted lifts the back of the trigger plate to take out rear slack in the same way Danny Love used to by bending up the back of the trigger plate. (Danny now installs P&P frames in all .45 equipped Bad Boyz Toyz Autocockers like the Shocktech and Westwood.) Adding to this is the fact that the guide screws are properly positioned. I’ve seen frames where the guide screws are set too far back, allowing the trigger plate to drop off them when the trigger is forward. This allows slack and can cause trigger binding. In the P&P frame, the trigger is in contact with the guide screws throughout the entire trigger travel.

Installed in the .45 frame is P&P’s proprietary chrome-plated trigger-plate. The chrome plating prevents the rubbing, dragging, and scraping that you can run into with poorly polished trigger plates. The result is a nearly frictionless trigger pull unlike any other out there. Cesare also installs a fat stainless steel sear plate for better durability and more consistent sear-lug contact. The lug is round bottomed for a superbly clean and smooth hammer release.

The Limited SuperCocker is timed similarly to the base SuperCocker, what I described in the Shocktech ’cocker article as a Type A trigger pull. He sets the fire point relatively early in the pull and the cocking point right near the back with a noticeable gap in-between. This leads to a longer-feeling, but very smooth trigger pull, and completely eliminates blowback. It also leaves more room for short-stroking, so players who have a problem with that need to be more careful to complete the trigger cycle with each shot. The trigger stop is set to a pull length of about 4mm.

I found the P&P Limited’s trigger pull to be a lot nicer than that on the base SuperCocker. The .45 frame is intrinsically more comfortable and makes for a smoother pull. The guide screws seemed to be more precisely adjusted and the trigger had a less clunky feel than the less expensive ’gun. This trigger is really well suited to players who like to get into a rhythm when rapid firing. Personally, I’ve always preferred the short, snappy trigger feel, but this ’gun drew me in. Though it wasn’t what I am accustomed to, I quickly got used to the different feel and came to really enjoy shooting it.


The pneumatics on the Limited SuperCocker are identical to the ones that come on the base SuperCocker so I won’t spend too much time on them.

The regulator is Palmer’s superb Rock reg with a stainless steel knob for quick and easy adjustment on the field. The ram is by Clippard — the oldest and as-yet-unsurpassed aftermarket ram upgrade. The 4-way valve is a polished stock WGP 4-way. A titanium pump rod couples the Clippard ram to the P&P custom back-block.

With the exception of the 4-way, this is a full state-of-the-art drive setup. The stock WGP 4-way works fine and is made smoother by Cesare’s polishing, but I still like some of the aftermarket short-throw valves better.


The Limited SuperCocker takes a big step up in internals quality and performance when compared to the base SuperCocker.

Driving the whole system is the original RAT valve, which P&P took over from Bad Boyz Toyz when they came out with the RAT valve II. Cesare prefers the original RAT, and finds it easier to set up and get running properly. This valve has a long and distinguished track record, having been designed by Danny Love and being the first aftermarket valve for the Autococker. Its performance is excellent, though not groundbreaking.

Think the ’98 Autococker has a big air chamber? Think again. P&P is now drilling out the air chamber in front of the valve to just about as big as it physically can be. This huge air chamber provides a large reservoir of pre-regulated air for the valve to draw on. The practical result of this is a lower operating pressure and less resistance to flow for better consistency.

The hammer kit is a standard Nelson kit. Nothing special, but still better than the stock STO hammer kit that now comes in stock and STO Autocockers. The biggest advantage of this kit over the stock is in the hammer, which is made from a better-polished stainless steel and has a locking screw for the sear lug in its side for improved reliability.

The bolt is a Bob Long’s Cyclone. This bolt has the angled-forward inlet (ala the Lightning bolt) for improved efficiency, but also has a big insert which is supposed to produce a sort of venturi effect. P&P removes this insert to provide the lowest-resistance air-passage possible.

The overall effect of these internals is pretty impressive. You can expect to get 1000 or so shots from a 3000 psi, 68 ci nitrogen system. I was getting 300 fps velocity at 300 psi with very little variation. Pretty impressive when you consider that Cesare puts no real effort into getting his ’guns to run at low pressure. Consistency, as always, was strongly affected by the paint-barrel match. With a good match, the velocity didn’t vary more than 4 or 5 fps either way.

Accessories & Extras

To start, all P&P Limited’s have the coveted vertical feed body. Since I started shooting vertical feed paintguns, I’ve come to find it indispensable. It lowers the height of your hopper, eliminates the need for elbows that can break or twist off, and centers your hopper so it doesn’t hang out as a big target when you come out one side of your bunker. I suppose these aren’t to everyone’s tastes, but tournament players are turning to center feed in droves.

The front-block screw is ported out to provide better flow. This actually makes more of a difference with Minicockers where the air is actually fed in through the bottom of the front block and must run through the screw to feed the exhaust valve. In an Autococker body like this one, it only improves the feed to the pneumatics up front. Not as big a deal, but still welcome.

I spent a lot of time in the base SuperCocker article commending Cesare for installing a locking screw to keep the valve retention nut from backing out — an uncommon, but very serious problem that can happen with the stock ’gun. Suffice it to say that this modification remains with the Limited SuperCocker and is just as welcome here.

Looking for a good barrel? How does DYE’s 2-piece "Boomstick" strike you? This has probably been the most coveted barrel since the ’97 World Cup. One comes on each and every Limited SuperCocker. This barrel was 14" long and had a 0.688" I.D. Though it can be unforgiving with large (Nelson) and poor quality paint, any decent paint shoots through it like a dream.

This ’gun also came with the full gamut of standard accessories: chromed ball-bearing detent, P&P beavertail, Hogue grips, 4-bearing bolt retention pin, and chromed trigger shoe.

A Black Ice Uni-Reg is also available as a $125 option. Personally, I’d recommend going with Air America’s new Vigilante which offers better performance at this ’gun’s operating pressure, though it is a bit bigger and doesn’t look as stylish.


Let’s face it, this is the important part. You can get P&P to build you an Autococker with every bit as much performance as this ’gun for a whole lot less money. The thing that pushes any paintgun up near $2000 is the full facelift that paintguns in this category inevitably get.

I’ll start with the millwork. Every Limited P&P SuperCocker is completely unique. The ones I’ve seen have had cool, clean, straight cuts. In addition, the front and back blocks are P&P custom-look, lightened parts. It’s more of a hot-rod look than the base SuperCocker’s simple cuts, but it doesn’t have the radical, eye-catching looks found in paintguns like the Westwood or Twister.

The thing that is really going to catch people’s eyes about these Autocockers is the anodizing. I’ve long been a big fan of the quality of Smart Parts’ anodizing but, with all due respect, we have a new king of the hill. Cesare has an anodizer hidden away somewhere who is doing some of the coolest anodizing I’ve ever seen. You can have your ’gun splashed out however you like, but he’s got some new looks that are unlike anything else out there. The SuperCocker I reviewed had a deep-blue acid-wash base that has a smoky look that just can’t be put into words and which, I’m sorry to say, my photos don’t really do justice. Over this smoky base is a three-color fade splash that faded from clear at the tip of the barrel, to purple at the front of the ’gun body, to yellow at the back block and beavertail. I was skeptical when I first heard about it, but I was convinced when I saw it. P&P’s anodizing is completely unique and is as good as it gets.

Rounding out the look is the standard silver-look. All the pneumatics, the trigger plate, trigger-shoe, and detent are chromed. The cocking rod and pump rod are both titanium.

Just forward of the vertical feed tube are the words "SuperCocker 99" on the left, and "Limited Edition" on the right.


With any paintgun this expensive, the big question is always: Is it worth the money? And as always, you’ll have to decide for yourself. There’s no question that this Autococker shoots like a champ — you can’t sell an $1850 ’gun unless it shoots with the best of them, and this one does. It also certainly doesn’t lack for a good pedigree. Despite it’s steep price tag, the P&P Limited has become of the ’gun of choice for Detroit Fusion, winner of both the Pittsburgh Open (10 man, Amateur B) and the World Cup (10-man, Amateur A).

The things that really set P&P’s Limited SuperCocker apart are the buttery smooth trigger, gorgeous anodizing, and probably the highest-quality aftermarket components available. If you love a smooth trigger that is more fun to squeeze than Charmin, looks that will put your teammates’ to shame, and the price tag hasn’t frightened you off yet this is one paintgun that you’ll want to consider.

All material at this site is © Ravi Chopra, 1999