Is there a market for new stock class guns?

[Alexndl]

Something I would buy is a ACI/Trracer top feed body that could take standard or reverse feed, ball detent (maybe a simple tippmann style detend) and cocker thread.

Those ACI pump are cheap and found everywhere and with just a body swap would be nice shooter..

If you want to go fancy, maybe add some milling styling and a slide type pump handle.

[Brokeass_baller]

All I really want is a nice 12g-in-the-grip trigger frame and a valve body that'll pierce the 12g. I love that feature in old guns, and I'm sad that nobody has really tried to bring it back in any capacity at all.

[Brokeass_baller]

I meant for Nelson's, but I agree. The Umarex system isn't bad at all.

[Jonnydread]

Oh for sure I was just thinking a slam changer type with a press button bleed valve would be a great addition to a stock class gun

[XEMON]

Always got the Puma 😅

[Chaos]

Definitely a tough Market to break into especially nowadays. Several manufacturers have tried and they usually don't stick around with that product long. If you could make something in and around the $100 to $150 price range that uses cocker barrels and had a removable feed block you could probably get quite a few buyers because that would be a good price range to get people into stock class pump. The problem is is that the market is saturated with used markers in that price range so it would have to be something pretty unique. I think if you could make it with those features and make it as smooth pumping as a Sterling and as efficient as some of the more expensive markers you could make quite a few sales with them. I think the closest marker to fit that bill recently would have been the ICD PRP but the price range was too high.

[fierymartel]

Definitely a tough Market to break into especially nowadays. Several manufacturers have tried and they usually don't stick around with that product long. If you could make something in and around the $100 to $150 price range that uses cocker barrels and had a removable feed block you could probably get quite a few buyers because that would be a good price range to get people into stock class pump. The problem is is that the market is saturated with used markers in that price range so it would have to be something pretty unique. I think if you could make it with those features and make it as smooth pumping as a Sterling and as efficient as some of the more expensive markers you could make quite a few sales with them. I think the closest marker to fit that bill recently would have been the ICD PRP but the price range was too high.

And I am as of yet unable to acquire one lol

[Chuck E Ducky]

They use to pop up pretty often. I wouldn’t mind getting my hands on one myself but the cost of them kept me from buying new. I did get to shoot one and it just didn’t have that high end feel to go with the high end price. Wished they put more into its finish work because a gloss Ano would have done wonders for the feel of the marker especially the way it was designed.

[Loophole]

Instead of a new marker I feel like modifications to currently existing markers might be a better course of action.

-Dukie lever kits for the phantom
-A new design on a Duckslide for phantoms
-hell even a duckslide for a buzzard
-In grip 12 gram for a phantom would be a huge hit
-front 12 gram dropout like a KPCS Scout w/ pump handle

Unless you have the machines in house the cost is just going to be absurdly high. They say if 10 people say they will buy something, only expect 1 person to actually buy it.

[Jonnydread]

I likes the cut of your jib Jacky boy

[Chuck E Ducky]

Agreed add all aluminum stock class feeds for CCM and CCI to this list

[XEMON]

Starting with a body that can be swapped onto a tracker/aci but cocker threaded with vertical feed port shaped for FSR and some detents is a great idea, then you can move to new frame/valve to add functionality ...

[SignOfZeta]

Definitely a tough Market to break into especially nowadays. Several manufacturers have tried and they usually don't stick around with that product long. If you could make something in and around the $100 to $150 price range that uses cocker barrels and had a removable feed block you could probably get quite a few buyers because that would be a good price range to get people into stock class pump. The problem is is that the market is saturated with used markers in that price range so it would have to be something pretty unique. I think if you could make it with those features and make it as smooth pumping as a Sterling and as efficient as some of the more expensive markers you could make quite a few sales with them. I think the closest marker to fit that bill recently would have been the ICD PRP but the price range was too high.

Yeah, in a world where you can get a VG+ stock Phantom for $250 used it’s hard to build something new to compete with it.

[Chuck E Ducky]

Trying to come in under the used market is not going to work. You would need to produce something better cheaper, I’m willing to bet you couldn’t buy the materials to build a phantom cheeper then what it cost to buy one. High End Custom unique is the only way you have a chance of breaking even.

I suggest starting with parts for existing markers build the capital to make a small run of custom markers.

[BOOSH!]

This was my thought from the beginning. That's why I asked about price point. If you factor all of the parts that go into making a gun, from roll pins to sears, to triggers, frames, etc. the cost of having a single new marker made (btw it would not be an exact replica of any gun previously made but made of all the best qualities of the earlier guns) it gets pretty expensive REALLY fast. I was looking for some feedback to see if it would even be possible. It still might end up making one for myself, but it will cost somewhere around $1,500 for a one-off. Even a limited run of 20 probably wouldn't bring the price down to a produced cost of much more than $600 - $800.
I'm not really sure if there would even be a market for say, a new trigger frame that would work for a phantom and my idea. Also, that would mean that my frame would have to work off of the phantom specs.
Something to think about, I appreciate the feedback.

[Chuck E Ducky]

The more it fits existing products the more market you grab and the cheaper it would be to produce because a lot of the R&D is already done. You could make a paperweight the first few times. That can get costly.

[BOOSH!]

No doubt Chuck. 👍