Autococker Raceframe

[Blackmagic71]

Somebody around here probably needs/wants this and it doesn’t appear to be bonkers “Curated” prices.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/405259289894?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=yzvy7bs6svc&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=Ffp-wkuSTe6&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[jetenginekyle]

"it doesn’t appear to be bonkers “Curated” prices."
Only because that guy hasn't seen it yet, he will be making an offer very soon.

[Trbo323]

Why do people like the race frames? I can understand the rest of the race cockers, they look good and what not but the frames always seemed to be the oddball.

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[XEMON]

How do you program those?
Can you do it from the frame or you need the serial interface with the 20yo software?

[DarkApollo]

With the cable and 20 year old software that works just fine on W10..
Give me that over trying to memorize trigger pulls and blinky lights..

[Painthappy]

... and sold!

I may not need it in the end, if I don't end up using it, I'll sell it for what I paid to the fine members here.

[DarkApollo]

Why do people like the race frames? I can understand the rest of the race cockers, they look good and what not but the frames always seemed to be the oddball

Oddball how so?

[Trbo323]

Oddball how so?

Self contained battery, different voltage so you can only run a race noids. The programming port. I'm not sure about direct programming of the board, if that's a thing or not or if it's different at all

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[DarkApollo]

The rechargeable is nice because I can just charge it and be good for 20k+ shots. They werent the only manufacturer to use a rechargeable either. Angel stick batteries come to mind. Back in 2000, there was no standardized electro. While 9v is the norm now, back then everyone was trying to make their mark and offering something different.
The only noid that is different is the sear noid. EBlades use 6v 3way noids and Race uses 5v. The plug is different but one could splice the wires and the eblade noid will function on a race frame.
It can’t be programed directly. Back in the day that was tournament rules. You had to either tourny lock out the board or somehow prevent players from changing the settings during a tourny. Make it not able to program directly solved that issue. But really, how often are you changing settings during a game?

[Trbo323]

The rechargeable is nice because I can just charge it and be good for 20k+ shots. They werent the only manufacturer to use a rechargeable either. Angel stick batteries come to mind. Back in 2000, there was no standardized electro. While 9v is the norm now, back then everyone was trying to make their mark and offering something different.

No they weren't the only ones to use a rechargeable but they were, if my memory is correct, the only ones to do it on a cocker platform. It's like they tried to reinvent the cocker and at that point it was basically already set in stone.

The only noid that is different is the sear noid. EBlades use 6v 3way noids and Race uses 5v. The plug is different but one could splice the wires and the eblade noid will function on a race frame.

What? You just started by saying the sear is the only different one and then listed that the cocking noid is both a different voltage and plug..... That's different. The only other thing that really matters is how it mounts. 5v to 6v is a 17% over volt.

If you believe you shouldn't run a board designed around lipo 7.4v on 9v then why is it ok for the noid? 7.4v to 9v is an 18% over volt for reference

It can't be programed directly. Back in the day that was tournament rules. You had to either tourny lock out the board or somehow prevent players from changing the settings during a tourny. Make it not able to program directly solved that issue. But really, how often are you changing settings during a game?

Can you program it in the staging area without a laptop? That's what I'm asking. I'm not trying to change settings on the field. You can't do that on a e1/2 either. You need to open up the grip panels to get to the programming button. Basically I'm curious if you can still program these at all since it uses a pretty outdated port


You could make the best marker in the world but make it in 62 caliber and it's not going to sell. My point is that these are oddballs. If it works for you great, I own a vanguard creed, it's an oddball for sure. 3 different o ring styles, 3.7v lipo, a board that doesn't actually turn off ever, common tire Schrader valve in the LPR. but I absolutely love how it shoots and some of the ideas vanguard had when they built it that's why I keep it.

The tire Schrader means I can always get LPR seats. The main poppet uses an o ring as it's sealing surface so I can always replace that. The board is absolutely fantastic, easy to use and the LCD is bright enough to be seen in sunlight.



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[DarkApollo]

No they weren't the only ones to use a rechargeable but they were, if my memory is correct, the only ones to do it on a cocker platform. It's like they tried to reinvent the cocker and at that point it was basically already set in stone.

In 2000/2001 EVERYTHING was being reinvented. EBlades just came out, Sandridge F5 was introduced (talk about oddball?), RaceGun released their first frame, Centerflag debuted their Electro-mechanical Uprising frame, etc. E-frames were the new hotness and they all had their gimmick to make them unique. All but the EBlade started as off the shelf mech frames. So companies had to work with what they could get. I have the milling schematics for turning a standard 45 hinge frame into a raceframe.

What? You just started by saying the sear is the only different one and then listed that the cocking noid is both a different voltage and plug..... That's different. The only other thing that really matters is how it mounts. 5v to 6v is a 17% over volt.

Ive run eblade noides on a raceframe.
If you want to be specific about ‘whats different’ between two -competing- cocker e-frames then obviously there will be differences. The differences are minor on some things, major on others. The minor ones are so minor they can be changed in a pinch to work. So you can use the 3way noid but not the sear noid. That was my point. I can use a Humphries noid out of an Alias Timmy, too. Ive done that for a customer years ago who broke a barb off in their F1 noid (tighten till it stops leaking… snap), then butchered it trying to get it out and asked if a Timmy noid would work. Made the wires longer and sure enough it fired just fine with the same settings.

If you believe you shouldn't run a board designed around lipo 7.4v on 9v then why is it ok for the noid? 7.4v to 9v is an 18% over volt for reference

you realize that boards don’t run at 9v, right? They all step down to 5v or 3.3v as is the standard for most chips. 9v became the standard because of convenience not because its better.

Can you program it in the staging area without a laptop? That's what I'm asking. I'm not trying to change settings on the field. You can't do that on a e1/2 either. You need to open up the grip panels to get to the programming button. Basically I'm curious if you can still program these at all since it uses a pretty outdated port

It is weird now, but back in 2003, when the tournament scene was in full swing and electros were hitting the market, if you get caught messing with settings, you could get penalized. So when these were new, that was a pretty good solution.

And yes you sure can still program them since they work with serial to usb cables. Unless you are using a Mac which doesnt have USB..

You could make the best marker in the world but make it in 62 caliber and it's not going to sell. My point is that these are oddballs. If it works for you great, I own a vanguard creed, it's an oddball for sure. 3 different o ring styles, 3.7v lipo, a board that doesn't actually turn off ever, common tire Schrader valve in the LPR. but I absolutely love how it shoots and some of the ideas vanguard had when they built it that's why I keep it.

The tire Schrader means I can always get LPR seats. The main poppet uses an o ring as it's sealing surface so I can always replace that. The board is absolutely fantastic, easy to use and the LCD is bright enough to be seen in sunlight.

They work and work very well. They are no more of an oddball than any other 2000’s era e-frame, in that they are all oddballs. Each one was different to stand out for something. Even WGP made the oddball Trilly Sport pneumatic frame.

[Trbo323]

Ive run eblade noides on a raceframe.
If you want to be specific about 'whats different' between two -competing- cocker e-frames then obviously there will be differences. The differences are minor on some things, major on others. The minor ones are so minor they can be changed in a pinch to work. So you can use the 3way noid but not the sear noid. That was my point. I can use a Humphries noid out of an Alias Timmy, too. Ive done that for a customer years ago who broke a barb off in their F1 noid (tighten till it stops leaking… snap), then butchered it trying to get it out and asked if a Timmy noid would work. Made the wires longer and sure enough it fired just fine with the same settings.

Yes, YOU can use it, Billy Joe average though A) doesn't know that and B) probably shouldn't be messing with trying to splice wires anyway. Mods are common around here but that doesn't mean the rest of the world knows it or should be attempting them.

If that noid was the same on the other hand, or even just had the same plug, no mods would be needed

you realize that boards don't run at 9v, right? They all step down to 5v or 3.3v as is the standard for most chips. 9v became the standard because of convenience not because its better.

I never said one was better than the other?

Also you are avoiding the question. If it's common practice to tell people not to run a board designed around 7.4v on 9v, then why is it acceptable to over volt the noid by roughly the same margin?

It is weird now, but back in 2003, when the tournament scene was in full swing and electros were hitting the market, if you get caught messing with settings, you could get penalized. So when these were new, that was a pretty good solution.

I'm sorry but no it's not. Having to pull out a laptop and USB cable to change stuff, needing an entirely different piece of equipment is not a good solution, I don't care what time frame we are talking about. I'm sure they Envisioned this cyberpunk future where everyone always had a laptop on them at all times but come on, they had to know that not all of their customers would have laptops, they were really expensive at that point anyway, so you are forcing those players to not be able to change anything while at the field should they discover a problem

And yes you sure can still program them since they work with serial to usb cables. Unless you are using a Mac which doesnt have USB..

Can you change anything while at the field without having to pull out the laptop? ROF? Eyes on/off? I'm assuming not timing

They work and work very well. They are no more of an oddball than any other 2000's era e-frame, in that they are all oddballs. Each one was different to stand out for something. Even WGP made the oddball Trilly Sport pneumatic frame.

Yeah I pretty much avoid this era. And then Super Nova has to go and dump something like a tribal in my lap which tries to burn down my paintball bench (because of sloppy QC I might add!)

I think there are a lot of odd things that came out of that era but that doesn't make them good odd.

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