Just lost a new hire...

[punkncat]

Had a new hire that was likely the best prospect we have had in a couple of years cold call and quit. Didn't even give us the chance to discuss. The guy was good enough that we had already given him a fairly significant raise on good faith. He showed a lot of initiative and intelligence. Really had hoped this one would stick around.

Hate to lose a good person and not with an understanding of the why and what for. These times are tough enough to find a person who wants to work. Loads of people want a job, far less want to work and learn, make it into a career.

[Painthappy]

Damn, too bad. Yeah, hard to hire right now.

[Axel]

It's been hard to hire for a long time, even pre-pandemic, in certain markets/industries.

Regardless, I've never understood people who make no effort to keep a job, and just stop showing up one day, or bolt with no notice, etc... and I've worked with several
One would assume your guy got a better offer elsewhere but it would at least rate an explanation. Why burn a bridge like that?

[russc]

Our office has been headhunted like mad. We've got local firms with a lot more cash to burn offering raises on the order of 40%. It's nuts.

[punkncat]

It's been hard to hire for a long time, even pre-pandemic, in certain markets/industries.

Regardless, I've never understood people who make no effort to keep a job, and just stop showing up one day, or bolt with no notice, etc... and I've worked with several
One would assume your guy got a better offer elsewhere but it would at least rate an explanation. Why burn a bridge like that?

This guy actually pulled a real chickenshit route about this. He called in the last three days. Before we knew this he said that his well along pregnant wife had an emergency. We were all concerned about her health. The second day it started seeming strange, but what do you do? Call a man a liar about his pregnant wife's medical emergency?
Today turned into the "third grandmother that died" type thing some far fetched story about this that and the other, an overdose, blah blah and I knew right then the whole time has been bullshit and he was out looking for work elsewhere.

Didn't even have the courage to come in and talk to us about it face to face.

It isn't that we have any problem with someone doing what they think is right for their future. How can you be mad about that? The thinking we are stupid and not even working out any manner of notice is the real kicker. Our schedule is fucked for the next two weeks and a bridge is burned.

[Axel]

That's even weirder than I thought. Why lie if you don't want the job? *Shrug*

[punkncat]

Exactly. If there has ever been something I am really good at over the years, was letting companies know in no uncertain terms why I was leaving. I have worked notices, I have been escorted off properties, and even gotten the cops called on me on the way out, lol.

[Cdn_Cuda]

Hiring people sucks. Worst part about running a business.

[punkncat]

Hiring people sucks. Worst part about running a business.

I have to admit that I have no issue interviewing and hiring. Our biggest issue is a lack of qualified people, so if anyone shows a level of promise I like to see what they know. The part that I hate is the wasting time fucking about for the next few weeks trying to teach them something, get them used to how things go within the company to find out that they are pathological liars that watched a video on the internet and aren't worth shit in the real world.

We have a guy right now that honestly would be gone if we didn't need the warm body filling a position. Absolutely no gumption, no desire to do anything without being told. Would be perfectly happy being the helper forever. You can't run a company with people like that.

Well, at least no one here at this point is doing meth any more. We cleaned house of that years ago after coming on board and finding out. Funny enough was that I had to fire the person that gave me reference and contact to get the job. Once we got them all weeded out things looked up for a bit, and now we just can't get applicants in the door. Not even an issue with we aren't paying enough or aren't offering the right perks, just no pool of people to choose from....or those ridiculous fuckers that want management level pay walking in the door.

[Cdn_Cuda]

Yes, just had someone do that. Came in, worked as/when need, offered full-time and they wanted to be the highest paid person in the office. And that's not happening.

[vijil]

Exact same scenario here. We'd normally get 50+ applicants for every role we put up, but recently one role had zero. ZERO. And then for other roles we're getting people show up to their onboarding and resign the next day, or just never show up again. They're choosing other positions, no doubt.

Absolutely it's a jobseeker's market right now, and that seems to be worldwide. The sudden lack of seasonal/migrant workers probably has a lot to do with it.

[punkncat]

You aren't kidding there. A long time friend of mine worked for a company back in 19 where he was being paid 'just about' an industry standard for his construction/carpentry job. The guy is quite good at what he does, but has some fairly significant flaws in the way he perceives things when he gets angry. He wanted a raise and got the door instead.
About a month ago this same guy gets a call back, is given a truck, a trailer, about 10K of tools to KEEP along with over $10 additional an hour if you broke it down that way, to come back. The company could not find an English speaker that could perform the job like he did.

[Ecapnation]

You too?

We had a day shift CNC guy ghost after train wrecking several pieces

[MrKittyCatMeowFace]

[Cunha]

My company lost a new hire too.

Quit flat out after 3 months of struggling to perform. Zero notice.

Maybe we should have an MCB is hiring thread

[Tarsun2]

ha, that sucks.
shortest job i ever had was a month. Post and bean framing. 2 weeks in i gave my 2 weeks notice. lol still gave 2 weeks though. he just needed bodies for work but i couldn't deal with the heights. we talked and both agreed. funny thing was, we talked at his house one on one and i noticed that he had a lot of tractors and equipment sitting in the woods around the property. he explained that everything needed something and that he didn't have the time. We struck a deal and he "hired" me to stick around a nd fix the equipment. once everything was fixed after a few months, we parted ways on good terms.

ive gone into job interviews to see what another business was all about but would never go through the process of being hired knowing that i didnt actually want the position. sometimes they would call and call and call trying to work something out even though i explained to them that id be making less if i made the move and that although a few extra days off a year is nice, i cant pay my mortgage with days off; the bank only accepts money as payment.

[GanonsGrin]

Post and bean? That sounds dirty.

Are you sure you weren’t working as a background worker on a porn shoot?

[Tarsun2]

ugh i hate how the "m" amd the "n" are right mext to ome amother.

[punkncat]

It came out that the tech whom he was working with already had an idea about the situation. His reaction was much less than surprise about it.
Apparently some guy the person who quit knows owns and operates a lawn care business and offered a percentage of the business to him to come on board. I can make certain assumptions, but I sure hope he considered what happens to landscaping companies in the winter.

Overall it's still really a shame. The way he went about it puts him on no rehire status. We would have been more than happy to work with him on a notice and prior to acting this way, to have him back later if he chose to. This is the third parson to be fired or quit in the last month.

We had one guy hock a loog on the polished garage floor at Coca Cola WHILE a supervisor from that company was griping at him for fucking something up. (during a pandemic, no less)
We had another tech that was late 4 days in a row. We asked him about it and he went completely bonkers cussing out the management team about "his business"....
then this guy.

We have been working with a temp agency, but the two people they sent over as helpers were about as helpful as having the clap. We fired them (the temp agency). We have put ads in a couple of local papers and tried other "Monster-like" headhunters to no avail. We had a couple of applicants reply that were very well accredited for the position we are trying to fill, but wanted top pay, truck, immediate vetting in benefits, and so on. Where I can appreciate the "knowing your worth" movement in the midst of everyone getting woke and all, it's still a really good idea to maintain a level of humility until everyone settles in a bit.

[glaman5266]

"but I sure hope he considered what happens to landscaping companies in the winter."

What happens to landscaping companies down by you in the winter? Genuinely curious. Up here (WI) they don't stop- they plow snow, lol.

[punkncat]

We don't get snow that much (thank goodness). The last two landscaping companies that I hired basically come around and blow some leaves once a month or cut some shrubs and such. In the spring/summer/fall they are generally here 2-3 times in a two week period. One of the others I utilized absolutely would not come out unless paid for extra service from November until March.

[ford]

We had a couple of applicants reply that were very well accredited for the position we are trying to fill, but wanted top pay, truck, immediate vetting in benefits, and so on. Where I can appreciate the "knowing your worth" movement in the midst of everyone getting woke and all, it's still a really good idea to maintain a level of humility until everyone settles in a bit

Humility doesn't mean crap if you get sick and don't have benefits b/c you started a new job. You're taking a risk on them and they're taking a risk on you. It's not a good look if you want to hedge your bet by holding back benefits to try and subvert some risk.

Overall I share your frustration hiring people. We get folks with barely 2 years experience wanting to be paid as senior software developers and walking if we don't offer a chunk of the company along with top dollar pay.

It's exciting in a way. I feel like for a LONG time people were under paid in most industries and what goes around comes around.

[Myrkul]

Here is a Forbes article for it:

https://fortune.com/2017/03/29/millennials-income-chart/

My industry (finance) is specifically bad. Despite there being a massive talent shortage new hires starting salaries were down 25% from the long term average, but senior employees salaries are up like 40%.

That kind of discrepancy builds resentment, with employees that aren't considered senior leaving because there is no way in hell they'll be able to talk anyone into a 40% raise. (At my current company, which is consider better then most reputationally, there are internal controls that prevent the new hires from ever achieving senior employee pay levels) It's much easier to just find the next company that is truly desperate and will cough up the extra money then it is to get promoted internally.

I know at my first firm there were MULTIPLE "managers" (Usually friends or relatives of the owner) Clearing $400,000 + per year who showed up 2 days a week from 10-3. New hires were given $24,000 a year and expected to work 80 hour weeks... They were completely shocked when everyone quit. Lots of comments about "lazy entitled millenials".

[glaman5266]

I agree with all of this. It's almost depressing how much senior peeps get paid compared to those doing the actual work. It's certainly not encouraging for new/potential employees. Factoring in inflation & rising standard of living (which bugs the hell out of me BTW) and you have people that want, or sometimes even need, that sort of pay out the gate.
I just left a job. I was getting just over $15/hr. My previous job paid me $21/hr. Am I worth the $21/hr? Probably not, but I sure as hell am worth more than $15 considering my dozen years of experience in the field & that I rarely call in. So I'm a stay-at-home dad. I'd rather decrease my cost of living than make more to sustain it. Which leads to why the ever-rising standard of living bothers the crap out of me... But that's a different conversation.

Getting $15/hr for flipping burgers is ridiculous IMO, but getting more than $10 for more specialized work is kinda needed for most people. Sad that some around here can't even get $12/hr for doing factory work.

[Grendel]

So this looks like more of an under employment (plus accrued debt) issue based on education then a job per job differential. I would love to see the data behind these numbers and assumptions. I'm a data analysis geek and love looking at this type of information. Unfortunately they really do not site their sources just give their conclusions.