Just lost a new hire...

[~kaos~]

We had one guy hock a loog on the polished garage floor at Coca Cola WHILE a supervisor from that company was griping at him for fucking something up. (during a pandemic, no less)

Seriously? Coca-Cola is the company that required their employees to complete an online computer based course to become, and I quote.... "LESS WHITE". The guy should have dropped a big steaming deuce on their polished floor.

[punkncat]

Seriously? Coca-Cola is the company that required their employees to complete an online computer based course to become, and I quote.... "LESS WHITE". The guy should have dropped a big steaming deuce on their polished floor.

Yeah, mixing your socio-economic diatribe with your ability to act professionally while on site and getting paid are not mutually exclusive. I would expect you have been adulting long enough to realize the fallacy of this fantasy.

With that said, they were fucking terrible to work for and I REALLY hope we don't get their account next year.

[~kaos~]

As a member (not the owner) of a family owned and operated HVAC company in Arizona I have had MANY well deserved fantasies like the one I described but never carried out. And yes, CCE is not on my good list of employers.

[punkncat]

We get our work through a corporate structure. In spite of being a privately owned and operated company, we cannot go take shits on someone's floor and expect to be in business long. If you think this is the way things run you are either blatantly misinformed, or clueless about the realities of the business world. I appreciate the gusto to say "I would just shit on cokes floor cause they are woke".
Your ass be in the unemployment line thinking like that. Don't be silly or unrealistic.

[punkncat]

Humility doesn't mean crap if you get sick and don't have benefits b/c you started a new job.

I cannot think of a job I have had in my entire 35+ working years that offered me health benefits walking in the door. I can think of a hell of a lot of jobs that don't offer it now. This is a part of the reality of the professional world, and certainly something you should weigh against while job hopping for the best offer. There are risks, and this is one of them.

[punkncat]

To be fair ~kaos~ I JUST found out that Target is offering new hires both $15 and immediate health care walking in the door. This is a new development and has not been the status quo for ANY time in many industries. Aside from that aspect several of what you list cannot be considered as 'standard run of the mill employment'. It ain't like you start with the Navy the next day, so.....

[RAZRBAKK]

It only happened to me on my last job, and that was simply because they hired me mid-pandemic. I certainly would never expect it.

[JCC]

I either need health benefits first day of the next month or Cobra reimbursement for however long the period is before they pick up health insurance. This crap of expecting people to go without health care for few months is horrible. If you want to hire good people, you have to expect as good employees their currently at a good employer that offers health insurance, then tell them no coverage for 3-6 months? Tells me I don't want to work there and will keep looking.

[maninblack2k]

There is a large disparity of job openings across different professions and specialties. There's also a lot of companies that have few to no openings because they are willing to offer benefits directly in the door and accept that cost based risk. It's a risk that a business must be willing to take if they are to grow. If your growth would go up by 40% would you be willing to pay staff an extra 20% to hit projected growth targets? Many employers don't think like that but a number that are successful do.

[cfos00]

I hire people for companies for a living. Right now, workers are hard to find for lower level positions that don't pay well. People don't want to take positions that aren't paying at or above market, bc a MASSIVE number of companies are hiring for the same roles right now. The ones that are paying well or allowing for flexibility can find people. Those that can't, don't. And for higher level positions, people are having several offers at once regularly. If you had a new hire ghost you---odds are really good that new hire got an offer he or she wasn't expecting, got it, and saw greener pastures. It's happening everywhere right now.

Businesses need to adjust to the new reality. You're fighting other companies, and I mean a LOT of them. People are doing what's in their own best interest, so companies need to know and understand that. The tables have really very much turned for the first time in the 15 years I've done this. People aren't just settling for and being grateful for an offer. They have power, know it, and are using it.

[punkncat]

I appreciate the insight on this. It's definitely the dawn of a new day in the workspace, and status quo.

[BenoitOWN]

Im switching full time on my weekend job this monday.
I wasn’t looking for a move but listened to what was being offered.

My current did try to come close but they said I need to do more hours to get what I wanted to make at the other place. I don’t mind working more, I’m still working less than a full time and a part time. I am also eliminating all traffic transit for being 10min away.

[Tarsun2]

in NY and NJ(?), weed was decriminalized and people have openly started using more. Its not "legal" yet but is in the process of being.
ive been reading articles about companies located in states where its becoming legal for rec use but employers are still requiring drug screenings before hire. Some companies are saying that they are turning down "100's of potential employees" because of this.

is there any truth to this?

[maggot]

This was more of a thing in years past than it is now, at least in my experience. Fewer and fewer places drug test at all - almost to the point where it's just machinery operators and contractors for the govt that are getting tested. The tests are dumb to begin with - the drugs that an employer should be concerned about (mmmphetamines, pharmies, and heroin) are out of your system in hours. They're really just weed tests... and who GAF about that these days?

[cfos00]

This is 100% company dependent, with the more conservative companies being a lot less likely to change their screening methods than some of newer, more modern companies. For example, financial companies are a lot more resistant to change, and are way less likely than, say, a cloud software company. It also depends on the state. A lot of my clients in CA do not do drug testing anymore, and if they do, it tends to be hard drugs only. But the financial companies based in NY do full drug panels. It really, really depends on the company and their own internal policies. Same goes for what convictions they're okay with and those that they aren't (example: If they're okay with DUIs or not).

[JCC]

Some states no longer allow for Marijuana drug testing as a condition for employment of non-federal positions. If its legal in the state, the job is in the state, and the job does not have a Federal aspect, you are not even suppose to be tested.

[BenoitOWN]

Damn I feels this, I tried training 2 from within and it not for them and now they are interviewing anything that apply.

one came without knowing what he was applying for and tomorrow someone that going to have his driving license test next week for a job that need a license lol.

[BrickHaus]

We had a new welder come, and ghost on his 3rd week. Best part is, I saw it coming. His body language shifted mid week his past week, and you could tell he didnt like it just from how he carried himself. Then boom, no show.

It turned out for us though, as we hired a new welder, and hes turning out to be a good fit.

[Falcon16]

Yea the spontaneous quit especially if there isn't some rhyme or reason is shitty.

[vinguy]

Seems like mostly a "different strokes for different folks" kind of thing. Some people just act that way I guess. I've personally become too prone to guilt to leave a job spontaneously without giving adequate notice. Not wanting to inconvenience my co-workers or employer. Also my parents discouraged that kind of thing when I was a teenager working my first job. As stated before about burning bridges, my dad used that same expression when teaching me about the work world. I recently left a job that I really didn't want to have from the get-go. A neighbor runs a home health business and needed a nurse quickly. I took the job in June 2020 and knew right away it wasn't for me. February 2021 I let her know that I needed out ASAP, and I gave her until August 2021. The nature of the work requires a nurse on staff, and knowing that she wanted her business to succeed I wanted to give her as much time as possible. I was working two jobs this past year, it was a pain but plus side is I can put that 1 year of job experience on my resume. Much better than burning bridges when you can manage not to.

[glaman5266]

Exactly. If you're gonna quit do it right. I mean, if your employer is REALLY shafting you, then I can see just up & leaving. But if you want to be on good terms with an employer (never know if you'll need that job back) and if you don't want potential employers to see that you simply left with no notice then do it proper. Leaving like that can hurt you more than you think. I just left a job I really didn't like anymore (well, how things were run & the hours, anyway). I did things properly & they said I'm welcome back if I ever need that job in the future. And, knowing my former employer, I know I'm pretty much guaranteed a job. That's a good feeling.

[kyote]

I hear the quitting with no 2 weeks notice as being shitty, but at the same time, here in an At Will Employment state, I've never seen an employer give 2 weeks notice when they fire your ass.
And as far as Reefer tests, it's none of an employer's business what I do on my time.
(So far, never been fired, and never had to take a piss test, knock on wood!)

[Cunha]

100% true. I've seen employers cold cock / blind side employees on a regular basis. I've also seen them fire people outright when they are informed of the 2 weeks notice. Because the courtesy is not mutual it is really hard to expect it out of the employees who have so little power in most cases.

[Falcon16]

Yea 2 weeks notice is a in a lot of cases a bullshit concept, because we all know most employers will not give you the same courtesy, I've had ONE job where they were like were yea your job is being centralized so here's 2 weeks of working notice. Every other job it was oh sorry you came in, your services are no longer needed, bye. Was never fired for cause and was always paid the pay in lieu of notice as require in my area but it's still like hmmmmm

[punkncat]

I hear the quitting with no 2 weeks notice as being shitty, but at the same time, here in an At Will Employment state, I've never seen an employer give 2 weeks notice when they fire your ass.
And as far as Reefer tests, it's none of an employer's business what I do on my time.
(So far, never been fired, and never had to take a piss test, knock on wood!)

Yes, GA is a right to work state, so basically there is very little reason to stay committed or loyal either way where it comes to things like notice and final check. I have had a couple of places I worked escort me off the property the moment I put in two weeks. I have had other locations let me work out notice. Where I am now even allowed me to moonlight back with a previous employer as they needed my skills for the job they were doing and hadn't "replaced" me yet.

One of the other cool things about here, at least in the past, was that for injury trips it is not uncommon for the nurse or practitioner to call and ASK if it's a drug test event or not. Two places I worked over the years that having a pro MJ stance helped keep some really good people around.

[chrislognshot]

we are going to see for long time. we are going to get people who are look for work but not sure if for them or not. so prove to be great workers. but in long end or long run. really did not like it and want to try something else