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    Why the USPS is Insane

    The three local USPS locations to me are a typical government entity. Long lines, constantly short staffed, idiotic people that work there, unnecessary bureaucracy. I recently had the folks at my local USPS encourage me to re-box some of the jam I sell for the USOs, and the extra room in there could have used a bit more packing but I don't think it was egregiously bad. Either way, I sent the item priority mail which comes with the 50 dollars of insurance by default. My recipient, a forum member here, was super cool about receiving this broken package and took a good quality photo for me to see. Bummer. I try to file a claim online and the site was fighting me on it, so I figured I'd stop by the physical location for a copy of the form.

    Person one tells me that to file a claim, I need to have the recipient send me the package and the broken contents BACK TO ME. I ask if the USPS is going to reimburse this ridiculous request. She says no. I am 99.9999% sure this is not the procedure but to drive my point home, I ask if the USPS expects me to incur 50+ dollars of shipping costs to INITIATE an insurance claim for 50 dollars. She says yes. I ask to speak to someone else. Person 2 comes along and says that they no longer do paper forms for the insurance claims process. This is interesting, since you can call a number and request for a paper form. As she is explaining the "We can't help you" thing, she tosses a customer's package about 5 feet into a bin. I get it, this is a labor job and things have to be moved. However, it shouldn't be a surprise when stuff breaks if they are tossing stuff out of laziness.

    Today, I ship out the replacement at a DIFFERENT post office location. I mark the package as fragile and I wrote "Do not throw, do not crush under other heavy boxes" on the package, half as a joke, but half seriously. The clerk looks at me and says "Listen, Imma be honest witchoo, we throw dem packages". "OK, well, if you decide to throw the package and you break the contents, then I will file an insurance claim again." "Yeah, but that's how we do things. We also will stack heavy big boxes on top of yours" "OK, again, you can choose to treat the package with negligence, and then I will put in a claim to get my 50 dollars worth of merchandise back." "But this is how the USPS does stuff. We throw stuff." "...right, so again, you can consciously choose to mishandle this merchandise, and I am paying for insurance. Every time you choose to consciously break the contents of my package, I will invoke the usage of the insurance that I have purchased from you. We can go through an indefinite loop of breaking things and claiming things, if that is what you guys want to do." "Well, that's not how it works, you need to just be understandin' that we throw stuff and you can't get mad if things break." Of course, like most government robotic workers, this lady didn't get it. She was pre-programmed from the factory with a few NPC dialogue lines and my dialogue tree had ventured far outside the realm of comprehension. Perhaps this is a start of a video game achievement where I see how many times I can have a package destroyed consecutively and how many times I can request reimbursement for it. On top of that, the prices are totally arbitrary. A flat rate box to one part of the country versus a SMALLER box to another ends up shifting dramatically in price. UPS has always been far more predictable on price. I will use them from now on, but all shipping for individual consumers is up right now and I am at the point where I will soon have to refuse online sales because it's not worth the headache or the costs.

    Other runner up highlights include the USPS losing a chunk of my mail and refusing to let me use a military ID as valid identification, at a post office that was on a military base. Every government organization like the USPS, the DMV, etc etc, all work like this. It is utter insanity.

    #2
    Quick tip: You don't have to insure for actual value.

    I mean, you shouldn't put an absurd number on there- like $25,000- since they'll fight harder against a claim, IF some worker bee doesn't steal it in the first place.

    But, there's no reason at all you can't say that box is worth $500. That's artisnal jam made from hand-grown heirloom berries whose seeds were couriered over from Scandanavia.

    They break it, jump through every hoop they have and get your $500. They break a second one, jump through those hoops again. There won't be a third time.

    Doc.
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      #3
      It's also worth noting that my local PO is excellent. Helpful, courteous, and being in a small town, lines tend to be short except for the occasional "rush hours".

      That's not true of everywhere, unfortunately, but the sad fact is, FedEx, UPS, DHL and any others aren't much better. (That is, some good, some bad, most just average.)

      Doc.
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        #4
        I just had USPS lose a rather pricey marker I sold a month ago. Said stuck in transit for a few weeks then they delivered an empty box to 4he buyer with a stamp on it saying it no longer had contents inside. It was just odd. That being said I will never use UPS again. I purchased a large lot of items and they delivered it. They left it on my front porch and the box had a huge hole in the side. There was a trail of pieces that fell out going across my driveway and up to the street. I didn't even open the box I just called to complain. They sent me to the claims folks and the lady asked me what was missing. I said I was unsure how much was missing so she told me to open it and check. I did and then she said I needed to take the package to the local store to inspect it. When I arrived they said I could not make a claim because I had opened it and disturbed the packaging so they could not tell if it was done correctly. I called the woman back that told me to check the contents and she agreed I could no longer make a claim because the packaging was disturbed. I asked how I was supposed to know what was missing if I didn't open it and check like she asked and she told me it wasn't her problem and UPS denied my claim. Honestly I think both companies just try and make things so difficult that most people will just give up and eat the loss.

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          #5
          Originally posted by DocsMachine View Post
          Quick tip: You don't have to insure for actual value.

          I mean, you shouldn't put an absurd number on there- like $25,000- since they'll fight harder against a claim, IF some worker bee doesn't steal it in the first place.

          But, there's no reason at all you can't say that box is worth $500. That's artisnal jam made from hand-grown heirloom berries whose seeds were couriered over from Scandanavia.

          They break it, jump through every hoop they have and get your $500. They break a second one, jump through those hoops again. There won't be a third time.

          Doc.
          Lying to the USPS doesn't end well. I've seen Seinfeld.

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            #6
            The jam IS worth a lot. I noted that the value exceeded the 50 dollar insurance. My paw paw butter is probably the costliest. I drive 1.5 hours away, hike the woods for hours to harvest these things, drive 1.5 hours back, then it takes me hours to process the fruit, and then time to cook and jar it. Because all of the jam/jelly I sell is hand picked stuff I've foraged from the wild, it all has some degree of inherent processing cost. Case in point, the local artisanal artsy farmers markets sell 8 ounce jars for about 15 - 20 dollars on average for common berry jams.

            Originally posted by Junglepeanut View Post
            Honestly I think both companies just try and make things so difficult that most people will just give up and eat the loss.
            This. Bureaucracies do this either intentionally or through the inevitability of elaborate and conflicting processes...probably a 70 to 30 ratio in my book. The retail companies I worked for did this routinely. If you can wear someone down, they will usually give up and say "This isn't worth the effort". Or, you give contradictory instructions that invalidate the entire process like you encountered. That results in a lot of savings for a company and it becomes impossible to prove who is at fault, since one sub-group will just blame the other. My favorite is when you wait on a telephone hold for 30+ minutes and then oops, somehow, you magically got disconnected! It would seem like a weird tech glitch but I've had it happen to me far more times than would seem to be statistically random. UPS and other private carriers can definitely get away with shenanigans too, but the speed of service I've experienced with UPS has always been remarkably better. The USPS treatment I got when I lived in a small town was also much better than living in a depressed part of an urban area. Either way, sorry to hear that you lost the paintball gun.

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              #7
              FWIW, UPS and Fedex are no better right now. We do a ton of shipping daily for the family business.

              Since last year, pretty much every package that goes through Fedex's hub in the South is at minimum a day late, even for guaranteed options like overnight and 2-day air. Earlier this year about half our total deliveries weren't even showing in tracking until they delivered because they weren't scanning them.

              UPS hasn't been too much of a problem, but we do a fraction of the business that we do with Fedex so tough to tell.

              And. as always, for either of the two, air shipments are always more likely to arrive on time and unharmed, especially for Fedex.

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                #8
                Honestly I think both companies just try and make things so difficult that most people will just give up and eat the loss.
                -That's precisely the case. Along with nearly any ISP, cell provider, cable or satellite TV provider, insurance company, etc. etc. etc.

                A TON of people will complain. Only a very small fraction of those will bother trying to get past the first obstacle. That weeds out a bucket of claims right there.

                Lying to the USPS doesn't end well. I've seen Seinfeld.
                -It is not at all lying. First off, the PO will typically handle items with actual insurance better. As above, very few people bother with a $50 claim, but the guy that intentionally put $250 on the package? He's gonna chase that down.

                Second, as noted, the product is inherently valuable. If I spent two hours making a part, who says how much my time is worth? Most machine shops will charge $100 an hour for one-off work. I usually don't, but I can, and have.

                FWIW, UPS and Fedex are no better right now.
                -I have generally had very good luck with the Post Office. A few years back, apparently a Porch Pirate snagged a box of Q-Loader parts I sold to an MCB'er several years ago, but I've had basically zero complaints from day-to-day sales and shipments.

                Doc.
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                  #9
                  When my family first moved to CO we ended up for like 2-3 years having issues with the USPS, but only when receiving packages. We had family packages and bought items shipped usps just...not... Make it to such a degree we ended up just renting a spot at out local ups and using that instead. Packages shipped to us just wouldn't make it, lost in transit or whatnot. This is '06 ish I'm talking about so tracking was absolutely there, just non helpful. I've not had great success with the USPS sending items either until this year, apparently, so I feel your frustration.
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                    #10
                    The last time I filed a claim for damage, they did ask to see pictures of the damage. They also wanted something that showed the value of the item, like the sales invoice, etc. or something showing cost to fix/repair. For both, it just required that i uploaded pics to the website. Then I was paid 2 weeks later.

                    So it worked for me, but I do everything online. I do not go inside my local USPS unless real, real desperate. For whatever reason, they are just incredibly obtuse and difficult.

                    I will say, i knew someone who worked at a distribution center, and she told me to never put on "fragile" stickers. They throw them the hardest. I took it as a joke, but was corrected- She insisted that i package anything to survive a plane crash. Lots of padding, lots of tape, lots of insurance.

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                      #11
                      that really stinks. uSps has been going through allot from what I'm told. the gist of it was, "they're going to have to find a way to do more with less..."

                      less air travel, more ground travel, longer delivery times, and an increase in cost to consumer. something like that. IDK if the other curriers are in the same boat but its not looking good. Maybe someone else can confirm.

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                      • Hp_lovecraft

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                        They really hurt themselves 20-30 years ago when they started offering outrageous retirement packages. And within the last 10 years, the aged workforce has started to retire in large numbers, crippling the budget. Federal law states that they are supposed to be self sufficient, and they are not allowed to touch the pensions.... so other things have to get cut.

                      #12
                      My local USPS is my preferred way to ship. Only had an issue when the package gets routed threw New Jersey. Occasionally it will go into a loop until you call CS. But for the most part my experience has been good with them.

                      To me is sounds like you need to package your stuff better because they are not going to take the precautions needed for your package to ship unprotected. Everything is being shipped today and every business is understaffed including USPS. Sure you could keep doing the same thing over and over expecting different results, and Keep claiming the insurance buy why. You are just wasting your and others time when you can just expect that fragile means nothing all packages are treated the same. Pack for it and charge the customer more to do so. Getting broken packages of Jelly has to suck on the customer end. It’s probably in your best interest just to pack it better. Just like the employee said it’s just the way it is. I would just Invest in better way of packing and charge the customer more like every other business is today. This is why you see $25 shipping charges on $5 parts. I certainly wouldn’t write passive aggressive messages on the box that will not help your cause you can guarantee that.

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                        #13
                        I have 2 close friends who are carriers for USPS and they both non-stomp complain about the working conditions. The vehicles are held together with gum and a prayer and never last longer than 2 weeks before having to take them back in. Most employees don't care about your package at all and will push and shrove to make it fit as t not make a second trip. Right now USPS is hiring and pretty much their only requirement is if you have a drivers license and pass a background check. Doesn't matter if you've been fired for anything including theft or timecard fraud, if you pass the background check you're in.

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                        • Shaftski
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                          Many companies are also reporting record profits, have overpaid executives, and aren't increasing pay at the lower rungs of the ladder. You need close to $20/hr around here or you can't survive. People want to work but if they are only finding $15/hr jobs that won't give them hour flexibility or time off, they can't work a second job to fill the gap. Retail is totally screwed this xmas season because of all that.

                          Something has to give at some point, strangest labor market I've ever seen in my life.

                        • sandfreestyle
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                          Another thing is that a lot of the introductory jobs I've been seeing want someone to have some sort of experience, usually 3-5 years, in order to qualify. Why does some with that experience want to apply to an introductory position? I see tons of "Urgently Hiring" signs everywhere, but it seems that only ones who mean it are the fast food joints. I've applied to about 30 positions in the past month looking for new opportunities, not asking for the moon in pay just want to work and provide for my family, but no one is selecting people to fill the positions. One place in particular has had this empty position for over a year with over 300 qualified applicants and they don't fill it.

                        • William the Third

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                          In the tech industry it's common to see entry level jobs with ridiculous, sometimes impossible, job requirements, at joke pay, just so they can say they can't find a qualified applicant. This way they can then either outsource the job, or bring someone in on a visa that "meets" the requirements, and will work for peanuts.

                        #14
                        USPS around here can be slow, but pretty fast with regional shipping. Anything south of Jersey or west of Ohio will usually get delayed a day. Within that zone takes one day to get here.

                        Won't use UPS if I have a choice. They damage every box and leave packages in weird spots all around my house, it's like a treasure hunt. "Front door" often means door of detached garage less than 10 feet from the road in plain sight. Needed a copy of my birth certificate from Jersey, sent overnight and UPS lost it. Got replacement that arrived OK. 3 weeks later, first copy shows up crumpled into a ball with a "sorry' note on it, was stuck in a conveyor for a week or so.

                        Friends in college worked there many years ago and would give horror stories. Boxes routinely smashed on purpose because sorters keep mis-sorting, same guy keeps getting the box and sending it back, and gets tired of seeing it. One of my friends smashed a box full of ball bearings that shut down the line for hours, got sent to him 6 times incorrectly and he was tired of lifting it.

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                          #15
                          Wow these are awful. My experience with Canada Post has always been great. Worst thing that happened is an urgent package sat at a sorting facility a couple days longer than it should have. The people at my (small town) post office are nice and the atmosphere always reminds me of Christmas, which makes me happy. I do know some people who work for Canada Post in management who are real aholes in their personal lives though...

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