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    Anyone have experience shipping li-ion batteries?

    So my latest hair braided scheme to make some paintball money, batteries.

    To make a long story short, when I got my vanguard Creed the battery in it was worrying me. It was inflated and I just didn't feel good about it. After searching I found that they were no longer made, but that doesn't stop good old trbo323! So, time to make my own, found the info I needed, ordered some increased capacity batteries, soldered on the correct plug and!...... Toasted my board..... Turns out vanguard flipped what is commonly the red and black wires on their plugs.

    So, spend 6 months tracking down a new board, only to then discover that I didn't in fact fry my old one (try the reset button dummy!.... The one vanguard doesn't even mention in the manual)

    So everything works.

    Turns out, I'm not the only one looking for a new battery, but I do seem to be the only one making them!

    That's what they call cornering the market kids!

    But.... Shipping.

    The biggest thing I'm having problems with is the labeling. I'm finding conflicting information on exactly what labels are required. The other problem is the boxes I want to use are 3"x3"x1" and some of the labeling requirements are that I would need 4 labels. 3 warning and 1 address but each one is around 4" per side. So do I really just have to order a box that is way larger than what I need just so I have enough surface area for multiple labels?



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    i believe they have to go ground and cant go air mail.
    also see if you can find small warning labels.

    what kind of batteries are you using? (18650)

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      #3
      on second thought, im a member of Second Life Storage battery forum. these guys buy and sell THOUSANDS of lithium ion batteries. They are bought and sold by boxes in the hundreds. its insane. they mainly do off grid stuff and power walls but if any community knows about shipping them, id be they have a good idea.
      also lots of good info on using old batteries, testing batteries, and just general info.

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        Lithium batteries can be very dangerous if you are thinking of making your own battery packs. You need one of those spot welders because heat will cause the batteries to combust.
        You also need to test each battery so they are all the exact voltage and capacity. If anything isn't correct you can short the pack and kill all the cells, or worse it combusts.

        Smaller packs are of course much easier to create than larger ones.

        If you just plan to sell batteries and not create packs that is pretty safe to do. All batteries ship ground only. Cause they explode which is generally bad for air travel.

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          Originally posted by Tarsun2 View Post
          i believe they have to go ground and cant go air mail.
          also see if you can find small warning labels.

          what kind of batteries are you using? (18650)
          Yeah they won't be able to go air I know that. But there also 2 different "don't ship this package by air" labels, one of which doesn't seem to ever be actually required so I'm confused why it keeps showing up in my searches

          Thanks for the info on the forum, I'll go check that one out

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            They don't typically ship by air due to planes being an enclosed air space and the batteries outgasing toxic fumes during a thermal runaway. The explosive hazard is extremely minor in comparison.

            Anyway, there's a lot to consider. Do these batteries have integrated battery management? If so, you can get by with simple packaging and labeling. If not, what are the battery specs?
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              Originally posted by Siress View Post

              Anyway, there's a lot to consider. Do these batteries have integrated battery management? If so, you can get by with simple packaging and labeling. If not, what are the battery specs?
              Not that I'm aware of. Unless it's encased in the packaging of the battery itself I'm going to say no

              3.7v 1000mah

              So the math comes out to 3.7WH for the postal service regulations, which unfortunately is over the 2.5 specs to qualify for some exemptions.

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                Originally posted by Seajay View Post
                Lithium batteries can be very dangerous if you are thinking of making your own battery packs. You need one of those spot welders because heat will cause the batteries to combust.
                You also need to test each battery so they are all the exact voltage and capacity. If anything isn't correct you can short the pack and kill all the cells, or worse it combusts.

                Smaller packs are of course much easier to create than larger ones.

                If you just plan to sell batteries and not create packs that is pretty safe to do. All batteries ship ground only. Cause they explode which is generally bad for air travel.
                Yeah I'm not creating anything. Just testing to make sure polarity and voltage are correct then soldering on the correct connector to work with the boards. These are single cell batteries

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                  Seajay commented
                  03-18-2022, 03:50 PM
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                  Still be very careful, spot welding is the correct way to handle Li Batteries. Again, heat makes them pop. Be sure to use something to pull the heat off the battery if you are soldering the connector to the battery itself.
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                  03-18-2022, 03:59 PM
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                  Seajay - the battery specs sounds like a flatpack, not a cell. Nothing to weld to on a flatpack...
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                Take a look at the labeling requirements below: (link was provided by a co-worker of mine, I don't work directly in logistics so had limited insight)
                https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text...inches)%20high.

                Trbo323 you might be able to sneak under the prototype/small run exemptions but I did not fully read the CFR referenced. If you are wanting to ship these contact your choice of carrier and talk to someone in their Hazardous Materials organization

                For those who think you can not air transport Lithium Ion batteries that is not true the are more stringent requirements legally and most carriers have additional rules and costs associated with air shipment. My company has been air shipping batteries for almost two years on a regular basis because of supply and demand issues one of the reasons consumer electronics prices are rising right along with everything else.


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                  we have rules to follow when shipping them you need to look usa stander for shipping

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