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**BrickHaus** · 04-29-2022, 06:09 PM

Im not from Colorado, but I have a few friends there. Every one of the have the same sentiment, and thats the fact that they don't want their state being ruined by Californian refugees.. That being said, I doubt any real Coloradoians will be of help to you here man.

**autococker04** · 04-29-2022, 06:28 PM

I have a friend I grew up with who moved there about 5 years ago to be a ski instructor. He grew a big mustache and became a mountain hippy but he’s really happy.

**Junglepeanut** · 04-30-2022, 12:39 AM

I am a Californian as well and have been working on my escape plan for some time but unfortunately as beautiful as a place as Colorado is and still has a lot to offer in some ways it is just becoming as crazy as it is here. It absolutely baffles me that people would run from a state because of how out of control it has become then vote the same way they did here..... That's why we are so hated, we drive up home prices so the locals are priced out of the market then vote to turn their state into ours...... wherever you end up get your license plates changed ASAP

**iamthelazerviking** · 04-30-2022, 02:35 AM

I'm glad I don't have it as bad in Utah, but prices are outrageous here. So much that we are selling our house for a nice profit and moving to a more rural area of Virginia. I also imagine Colorado isn't too different than California, unfortunately.

**Alexndl** · 04-30-2022, 07:26 AM

Have you considered Canada?
Exchange rate will make you rich
Night life in Ottawa and Winnipeg is ... great?
You like fishing? Check the maps for lakes
Weather between October and Mai is never too hot
We have Tim Hortons everywhere
Legal drinking age is 18

Dont ask about taxes...

**ford** · 04-30-2022, 11:16 AM

I seek the small town outdoor life I've grown to love. I build elevators for a living so living somewhat next to a big city is kind of a must.

Frustrating goals since open spaces closer to big cities are always going to come with a premium.

If you don't mind driving you could post out of a town like Pueblo or Colorado Springs and take jobs all along I-25 between ABQ and Denver. It's not just Denver that's growing so I'm sure there is work to be had.

**Chuck E Ducky** · 04-30-2022, 01:50 PM

I was just out in CO talking with my freedom loving Brother in law and there is already a wave of restriction they are starting with local government like HOA’s and moving out from there. Taxes are very low and amenities are very high. Tons of work especially trade skill jobs. But every election has voted for more and more restrictive policies. It’s a snake eating it’s tail. Freedom hatred flowing straight out of the populated areas. They have a big issue with homeless and mental health. Bug outs every ware living on the streets. Property is expensive land don’t come cheap but you can afford more due to the low property tax. I looked at some land while I was out there. There are good investments just outside the city’s. Weather is awesome all year round. Great parks and outdoor activities even thoe most of them are empty because kids are mindless phone operators now. Schools look decent roads are not bad pothole wise but garbage and debris flying everywhere especially the closer you get to the populated areas with all the construction. Wildfires are a big issue. Crime is typical, high in the city, B&E’s homeless robbing cars if parked outside. Like the rest of America soft on crime so the criminals are taking advantage of the get out of jail free cards getting handed out.

Overall it seems like not to bad of a state to live however I don’t see that lasting long. Especially if your just outside a citys it’s moving so fast.

My personal take, I chose not to buy but I do enjoy visiting. There are tons of outdoor activities and the weather to do it. The Mountains are incredible. The views and land gorgeous. I would definitely want something more Rural if I was to buy. I would never buy anything with an HOA.

**Tarsun2** · 05-04-2022, 08:22 AM

this is interesting...
i work in NY (state) and was recently on the phone with tech support in Colorado.
i usually like to know where im calling (for no real reason other than my curiosity) and when i made a comment about California, the tech got derailed and started going off about people moving from Cali' to Color' and driving the housing market (and the state) crazy.

i dont care one way or another but it was interesting to hear. had no idea so many people were moving out of California and the hostility some people have. maybe the guy lost the bid on a house or really wanted to move and couldnt afford it.

if you want to move, go for it. id stick to your guns and dont let anyone sway your decision. its interesting to me that this is such a sensitive topic.
if you like going to the range, i think youll have a great time in Colorado. (i think they are a little more open to firearms there)
thats what i did when i moved from NJ to PA. now i spend my free time at the ranges. lol

post-pandemic housing market is nuts all over the place.

why Colorado? why not Oregon or Wyoming?

**Tarsun2** · 05-09-2022, 08:38 AM

Sounds like you've given it allot of thought.
when we bought our house, it was pre-pandemic; paid 150K for it. Post-pandemic comps put it at 300K. the housing market seems to be insane on both coasts lol
a friend of mine bought a house just prior to the housing market crash in 2008. the valve plummeted shortly after. they were recently able to sell it for more then they paid for it... thats insane to me that the cost of buying a house is higher now than it was just prior to the bubble bursting.

i came from NJ to PA and both states are a little strange to me.

in PA, you can openly transport a rifle in your car BUT if your car has a rust spot bigger than a 50c piece, its considered dangerous and will fail inspection.
in NJ, the inspection is just for CEL lights, nothing else. Seriously, ive passed inspection with my old audi that had a crack across the center of the windshield, bald tires (looked like racing slicks), a drivers side door that wouldnt stay closed, and a straight pipe exhaust without cats... BUT youd be considered a mass murderer if you were stopped with a 22 rifle in your car.

im curious to see how the small engine ban plays out with landscapers.

keep looking and youll find something for sure; took us about a year to find our place.

**Rainmaker** · 05-10-2022, 12:15 PM

All Y'all just stay the heck out of Alabama! (not like there's a whole lot of folks interested in coming down here anyway)

I grew up in the mountains of colorado, loved it, would love to go back... but the place has changed so much in recent years. We visit every year, and between the political horror stories my mom tells me, and the cost of living increases my brothers tell me about... i don't think I can afford to move back, either financially or emotionally. I don't have much advice to give. Just do what you want to do, it's a free country right?

**Fubarius** · 05-10-2022, 07:38 PM

It's weird, but Californians have this tendency to think alike. Even those sick and tired of the Cali thing all seem to want to leave for the same few places, Colorado and the PNW. So those places naturally get sick of all the sudden transplants and jacked up property values. Meanwhile, Ohio is literally putting up billboards in Los Angeles to try and get people to move to that state.

So basically, make a list of all the places where you might want to go, and start at the BOTTOM of that list.

**Headshotted** · 05-10-2022, 07:52 PM

So, there's a lot of non political things to look at as well before moving here. The biggest issue I'm going to point out, and a huge reason as to why I'm trying to leave is there's no water. Building in many areas is at a stand still because there's not enough water to actually support the population. As much as I like to bitch about how out of state influxes have changed the cost of living here drastically, it's not completely untrue, but, what also didn't help was MMJ barons buying up land and buildings and property like MAD because they couldn't put their money in banks. Great idea, right? Let's just, not make something that's made billions for the state taxable earlier on. Schools are, alright. I live next to one of the highest heroin issue schools in my city, though, so, take that with a grain of salt.

Colorado... has changed. I moved out here from the east coast when I was 17. I'll be 34 this year, and I've spent the majority of my life here, between Denver, Colorado Springs, and a little stint down in NM, but that was right on the CO border. Jobs are easy to come by, cost of living however hasn't caught up, or is catching up VERY slowly. If you've already got the ability to purchase and have a solid income coming in, then it'll probably work for you. Colorado now feels like Cali 10ish years ago, my ex fiance lived in the bay area and I used to visit her every few months. Cost of goods is high, quality is mediocre. Lots of things are being marked as "Colorado staples" that are pricing locals out of everything from housing to food to even what used to be haunts and restaurants. Building and gentrification has caused so many issues in COS that the city council is constantly fighting with local neighborhoods to keep from being developed, due to lack of planning for evacuation routes for un/natural disasters. That's actually a thing. It's currently so crowded in my part of the springs that I have NO evacuation route thanks to the tons of building they shoved so many scrapes and apartment buildings in tiny spaces that it's quite literally a livelyhood concern. I'd say if you can move elsewhere to do so, and I'm not saying that to tell you not to move here, I just don't think it has enough to offer right now for all the challenges it's facing.

On that same note, most of the cities have exploded in growth so quickly that city support infrastructure is lacking, from emergency services to basic utilities as the grids can't handle the massively increased demands, thus leading to higher utilities costs and service costs. Homeless is at an all time high, and I'm not actually going to blame property values, a lot of it is the lack of funding for social programs after CO decided they wanted to focus more on their sports teams than social programs.

There's...still a lot of good here. But, there's a feeling I get when I look to the east, and I'm pretty sure it's time for me to go home. There's some good fields here, a great wargaming community if you dabble in TWO expensive hobbies, and, generally nice people. But...don't bother looking for a native, there ain't any here anymore.

**latches109** · 05-11-2022, 12:21 AM

Originally posted by Tarsun2 View Post

i dont care one way or another but it was interesting to hear. had no idea so many people were moving out of California and the hostility some people have. maybe the guy lost the bid on a house or really wanted to move and couldnt afford it.

San Diego is still having in upwards of 40 offers on homes, with the majority of them selling over asking. The few I personally know, the buyers were from Bay Area, LA, Seattle, & NY.
Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.. just trading problems. For as many that are leaving, seems more are coming in. My commute times are feeling like LA traffic now.

here is how to see where people are moving:

20 Cities With Biggest Growth in Home Prices in 2021

Growth in median sale price in both absolute dollars and percentages.

Columns:
rank,
location,
Median Sale Price: Sept. 2019,
Median Sale Price: Sept. 2020,
Median Sale Price: Sept. 2021,
Median Sale Price YoY: 2019-20 ($),
Median Sale Price YoY: 2020-21 ($),
Median Sale Price YoY: 2019-20 (%),
Median Sale Price YoY: 2020-21 (%)

1	Bellevue, WA	$887,500	$1,095,550	$1,295,000	$208,050	$199,450	23.4%	18.2%
2	Fremont, CA	$992,500	$1,190,000	$1,350,000	$197,500	$160,000	19.9%	13.4%
3	Scottsdale, AZ	$477,000	$582,500	$695,000	$105,500	$112,500	22.1%	19.3%
4	San Jose, CA	$946,000	$1,094,000	$1,240,000	$148,000	$146,000	15.6%	13.3%
5	Rochester, NY	$167,950	$121,296	$285,000	-$46,654	$163,704	-21.8%	169.8%
6	Pembroke Pines, FL	$265,000	$324,450	$395,750	$59,450	$71,300	22.4%	22.0%
7	Glendale, CA	$810,000	$936,000	$1,050,000	$126,000	$114,000	15.6%	12.2%
8	Worcester, MA	$252,500	$315,000	$370,000	$62,500	$55,000	24.8%	17.5%
9	Boise, ID	$326,500	$387,270	$480,000	$60,770	$92,730	18.6%	23.9%
10	Palmdale, CA	$333,000	$410,000	$470,000	$77,000	$60,000	23.1%	14.6%
11	Chandler, AZ	$319,450	$375,000	$470,000	$55,550	$95,000	17.4%	25.3%
12	Surprise, AZ	$264,450	$300,000	$410,000	$35,550	$110,000	13.4%	36.7%
13	Huntington Beach, CA	$800,000	$915,500	$1,020,000	$115,500	$104,500	14.4%	11.4%
14	Cleveland, OH	$82,000	$105,000	$125,000	$23,000	$20,000	28.0%	19.0%
15	Tempe, AZ	$295,000	$351,500	$425,000	$56,500	$73,500	19.2%	20.9%
16	Escondido, CA	$554,000	$640,000	$740,000	$86,000	$100,000	15.5%	15.6%
17	Glendale, AZ	$259,000	$301,500	$385,775	$42,500	$84,275	16.4%	28.0%
18	Oxnard, CA	$522,500	$630,000	$680,000	$107,500	$50,000	20.6%	7.9%
19	Providence, RI	$245,750	$300,000	$350,000	$54,250	$50,000	22.1%	16.7%
20	Round Rock, TX	$297,250	$325,000	$451,900	$27,750	$126,900	9.3%	39.0%

Table: Andrew DePietro Source: Redfin Get the data Embed Created with Datawrapper

**cfos00** · 05-16-2022, 01:26 AM

I just moved out to Arvada a couple years ago, and have really liked it. The housing market has absolutely exploded since we got here (2020), with my house increasing 50% in value in two years. Not a typo. This area has expanded like crazy, and it actually fits me for what I like really well. Any place that I would normally want to go for food or shopping is 10-15 min away, the mountains are an hour or so (have a buddy who has a place in Silverthorne, which is where I normally head), the airport is 35 min away, and most paintball fields are about the same. The mountains are still stunning every time I see them, which we can from our yard, and the weather is awesome (not nearly as much snow as I would have imagined). I grew up around Chicago and lived in DC, so I was used to humidity and insects...Colorado has very little of either. I've worked all day outside several times, and was comfortable. The people here have also been really nice, every house in our town is a mile or less from at least one park, and there are tons of families around us which is great for my 4 year old. And as for the little dude, turns out he absolutely loves snow, so he's happy when we do get it or go to the mountains.

Denver itself does have water restrictions for things like watering the lawns. It's a high desert, and it's been extremely dry here for years. There are also wildfires in CO yearly (see that last sentence). But my suburb doesn't have the water restriction, and I live literally 3 blocks from our town's water source (huge lake that doesn't allow swimming or boating bc we drink that water). We haven't had any water issues yet.

The mountain towns have some things going for and against, like anywhere else. 70 (the highway) gets shitty during mountain storms or the occasional rock slide, with the road getting completely shut down at times. They also tend to have a lot less stuff there in terms of stores and restaurants, bc they're mountain towns. The housing markets for several have also blown up. At the same time, awesome skiing if that's your thing, and stunning views and outdoor stuff right there. If you're going to go into the mountains without being hours from Denver, I would recommend making sure that you're on the mountains side of the tunnel on 70, just for when the road goes to shit.

If you do decide to buy, if you can...make sure your driveway faces the right direction if you can. Will make you not have to deal with shoveling nearly as much. You want south or southwest facing if you can. If you have specific questions, happy to help.

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