Started another landscaping job today (for a whole 50 cents more an hour too!). Well tried to start. Guy seemed shady on the phone, lots of one word answers and fast talking. Told to be at the shop by 7am. Wake up at 5:15 and I'm there at 6:45 and no one is there. Boss texts me at 7 that hes gonna be over an hour late because hes got to pick up stuff. Fine whatever. 8 comes around and i get another text. "gonna be awhile probably won't be there till after 10:30. You can stay if you want to". F*** YOU C***! I wake up early for you and waste my gas driving 20 minutes just for you to be over 3hr late. And you expect me to just sit there and play with myself? EAT S***, BEELZEBUB HAS A SPECIAL CIRCLE IN HELL FOR YOU. I HOPE YOU FALL DOWN THE STAIRS AND SPLIT YOUR D*** OPEN. I talked about it with my older roommate, and I think most of you old farts will agree. Most Employers today have no respect for the customer or the employee. This shit would not fly back in the good ol' days. Word of mouth meant everything back then. If you treated your employees and customers like trash your business would not succeed. I have had close to 2 dozen jobs since i was 15 years old and with the exception of a couple (never been fired and only been written up once on some bulls***) they all are run by SCUMBAGS who talk down to you, lie, act unprofessional, lazy, careless, HIGH, any and all terrible traits you can think of. Seriously thinking of just hitting up all the dealers I know and just start selling drugs. I know what I'm worth and I'm not talking about my wage. I deserve to be treated as a human being and not a robot. I am a great employee and that's not my opinion. That's from people I worked for in the past. I basically never get sick (eating out people's BUNGHOLE really helps build a strong immune system I guess), I don't take vacation days basically ever, I cover shifts, I arrive before start time, I will come in earlier or stay late if asked, I don't work high or drunk, I want to be overly helpful as I can to other employees and customers, I do the job exactly as my employers wants it done, I do not b**** or moan on the job, I do not mess around on my phone, I don't take long breaks if any or drag a**, I don't engage in drama or start s*** etc etc. I know your the boss. You got a very difficult job and I will treat you with the utmost respect because of it. BUT RESPECT IS MUTUAL B****. I don't like work at all, its not supposed to be fun. But I'm not a dumb f****** hippie who thinks I can contribute nothing to society, and can have a roof over my head, and food in my stomach, and all the toys I want. But being burned again and again and again is such a f****** buzzkill MANNNNNNN! I understand and idolize Marvin Heemeyer even more now. I start another job tomorrow as a porter and detailer at a Maserati dealership (got the call while writing this up, have no clue what I am being paid an hour yet). Would be nice if they could let me try to sell cars and make some real money. Add one more skill to my noggin. My roommate tells me to go to school and learn a trade. But I just feel like I will just end up with even worse employers for just a few dollars more. Plus i'm blackpilled and I see this country falling apart well before I become a journeyman. Feel free to call me an ungrateful zoomer.
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Sorry your work situation is craptastic.
It seems to me you had a really bad interview with this dude. He started off by low-balling your wage below his advertised rate. That should always be a signal to bail.
A person's character is the sum of their actions. A guy that started an interaction as important as employment with lies is a huge red flag.He is willing to be a shit person from the word go. Run.
Employers have to act in their own self interest to succeed. Good ones own this fact, are honest with workers, and find ways to reach mutual benefits. Those situations are out there, but they take some looking.Comment
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Bad interview I guess. Little over a minute talking and he tells me to come in tomorrow. Way better than driving to multiple long interviews where they just stroke their ego and c*** for over an hour. Repeating the same lines every few minutes and acting real macho and s***. Of course employers are not your friend and you work for them not the other way around. But most likely they were in the same position as I am now. So why do they act like you are a robot who can be pushed around?Originally posted by coyote View PostRESPECT ME AND MY PINK RIMS!!!Comment
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That's definitely a terrible boss and I'm sorry he wasted your valuable time! So frustrating.
I don't agree with the country falling apart, that only happens if we let the wackos be louder than the sensible people.
I hope you keep plugging away, you WILL find a good boss eventually! They're out there.My Old Feedback (300+) https://web.archive.org/web/20180112...-feedback.htmlComment
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coyote Well wasn't asking you the question, it was to anyone who wanted to take a crack at it. Of course you don't know the situations I've been in. We live in different states. I thought it can be answered with a variety of ways. Why do bosses think people will work for them when they don't treat you right? I will try. They just don't care about anyone but themselves, they too have been burned by scumbag employees, they are mentally ill, they had a bad morning etc etc. I don't want a gold platter served to me. I just want to serve you with good work and you pay me for it. Just don't act like a scumbag and I never will act like one to you. Not that I would stoop too their level. I just walk or stop showing up and block all numbers
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You should just start your own landscaping company. Maybe start with a mower and weed eater — and offer grass cutting services until you get enough to invest in other gear for a full fledge tree trimming service. Be your own boss. Problem solvedComment
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I got 50 dollars in my wallet. and 50 cents in my bank account. I mentioned that I understand and respect bosses for a reason. Its f****** hell running a company. SOOOOOOO much work goes into it and the chance you will succeed is not good. My roommate used to run a bar (really was just a front for his cocaine operation back in the day) and later after he was clean a restaurant. You are always working, and you never have time off even when you go home. IRS, payroll, scheduling, marketing, maintenance (employee flushes grease down the toilet and floods the whole basement), customer relations, employee relations (yeah bad employees exist), state and federal laws and regulations, and a whole lot more. I just want to work 40-60hr a week and have my weekends usually off and when I clock out I'm done. No extra responsibilities (obviously sometimes you gotta do something new for day or 3) besides the same job I do everyday. I said I hate working so why would I want to make it even harder and more miserable. Way to much stress running a business and sometimes the powers that be just won't let you win. Ala Marvin Heemeyer.Originally posted by the_matrix_guy View Post.
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There’s a lot to unpack there. Most business owners pick whether they want to work past 5 PM, many don’t. But a lot of it is about perspective. It also comes down to your potential, aptitude / capabilities, skills, work ethic. I say if you’re going to work, work smart not hard. You say you don’t like to work — but you were willing to do landscaping work for someone else. Thats about the most (physical) labor intensive and worst paying job you can do. Might as well do construction work. It’s hard physical labour but at least it’s much better paid, plus you get a lot of contractor experience. Anyway, good luck to you
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Twisted G Oh no doubt. Running a business is hard work. But in regards to running a small landscaping business, you have very little to no overhead.
That said, the best thing you can do, is to make the transition into a skills based industry. That’s the key to make a living wage especially considering the state of the economy (rampant inflation, living expenses, etc). There are apprenticeship programs — electrician, HVAC technician, elevator mechanic, etc that are worth looking into. Sometimes you have to be persistent and keep applying until they finally take you — but it can be a life saver. They pay you while they train you. You get both theoretical/ classroom and real life work experience. Usually they last 3-5 years. While they train you, you make hourly wages in the range of 13-18 p/hr, but keep in mind you’re getting school for free, and in turn they get some cheap labor, and at the end of the program you also get job placement and a salary that starts you at around 50k p/y.Comment
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It’s also worth noting that all of those industries I mentioned and the apprenticeship programs themselves are unionized so there’s no shady business/ shenanigans when it comes to pay and labor standards, and plus, they have lofty pensions / retirement plans.
Welding & pipe fitting is another one. And welders are in huge demand plus you can branch out into thousands of specialty industries ie a gate business for instance which is extremely lucrative. I know because I’m a commercial realtor and I deal with contractors all the time, among them gate companies. They make a killing and their work aint all that difficult.
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Yes I would love an apprenticeship job. Had 2 fall through. One the boss straight up lied on saying he would train me and just ended up yelling at me for not knowing stuff and just being overly aggressive for absolutely no reason (like I asked him if i should bring the water softener tank down now and he gets pissed off like i asked him what color is red). I was helping him with everything he asked and he would still yell at me saying how if i was not here the job would be already over. Um no two people hauling gear and packing up goes way faster than just one person. Dude had a broken leg with full cast and was saying I was slowing him down. I basically was carrying everything and cutting pipe for him and whatever else he wanted. It was bad enough that the home owner walked me outside and told me to quit and that he has no reason to yell at you like that. And that he would be calling the company to complain. So I told him He almost killed me twice because he was so high on weed he drove the van going about 50mph right through a roundabout and leaned it on two wheels. Yep that happened and c*** thought that was funny. Guy was not happy that he was paying for an installer who was high. The other one the person training me was the biggest d*** in the world and would get so mad at even asking him how something worked. Like his answer would be "what the f*** do you think"? Hey where do you want me to put this in the van "in the back" yeah but where exactly "IN THE FUCKING BACK!". Our first ride out my first job I tried to create small talk and he would just make a angry grunt sound. No words. How do people like that succeed in life.Originally posted by the_matrix_guy View PostRESPECT ME AND MY PINK RIMS!!!Comment
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You know sometimes this is just testing your mettle. Remember you have just met this gruff dude, but he’s probably met a couple dozen of you. You a being any newbie, and probably 2/3 rd of them quit. Which I guess you did also? What you described isn’t an actual apprenticeship sounds more like a helper position and if you make it more then a few days, the gruff guy gets a little nicer and they start investing in you. If you bail cause the kitchen is to hot, they get another helper and move on.
Everyone pays dues and expect everything is a test, be the best MF you can be, see what happens.
I am 60 this year, I have paid many dues, probably more then I needed to.
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No unions for me but I will be going to a career/apprentice show pretty soon at the local community college. Yeah welding sounds great and so does gate installing. Not sure if its as easy to get hired as you say but those both would be killer jobs to have.Originally posted by the_matrix_guy View Post.
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Welding is easy to get into. It’s toxic but it pays amazing you just have to be reliable and willing to take constructive criticism. I did welding and fabrication for years under someone and all threw Highschool. I purchased a truck put a welder in the back and handed out as many free cards I could get made from random websites to job sites with heavy equipment. I did 24hr emergency high strength welding services (cash only). I was making more than my school teachers part time. I stopped due to dealing with the heavy metals all the time. But it pays well my cuz makes a killing making ornamental custom railings for rich people and business.
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Twisted G Sorry to hear about your negative experience. It’s true that a lot of bosses are incredibly bad trainers and just plain dumb — because they’re hurting their own business by being such incompetent trainers and leaders.
The apprenticeship programs that I was referring to are “registered” they’re called RAP’s. For Registered Apprenticeship Program. And they’re recognized nationwide by the US Department of Labor, and Certifications earned through registered apprenticeship programs are recognized nationwide. It’s not some random Joe training a helper. They’re federally approved fast-track programs and are ran by industry leaders. As I mentioned they’re not easy to get into, it takes persistence, but it’s worth it.Comment
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Yeah I am just reading this thread first time, this is how the system actually works. But any trade school is still not for the meek or weak, my son now a Master electrician, said the math portion of the testing he did to apply for the apprenticeship was really stressful and quite hard, obviously he passed but for him to admit it was tough, meant something.
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Yeah the porter/detailer job is just a hold over till I get something better.Originally posted by Riot View Post.
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