you take on this co2 fire arm that was modify paintball gun

[chrislognshot]

[Siress]

The distance we need to put between this stuff and the paintball community cannot be big enough.

I will not be surprised if Z-RAM and its creator are sued into oblivion for knowingly endangering the public with a lethal projectile that is intended to be used in a gun that's shot at people. Paintball calibers need to be allocated strictly to paintball usage.

[RAZRBAKK]

Recently a guy took a modified Umarex pistol to the mall and threatened some people in my hometown. He had some weird projectiles in it that I haven't seen before.

[pdogg77]

Looks like some kind of 3d printed sabot...

[JeepDVLZ45]

I’ve seen some of those. You can order them on the bay, I think they’re on thingverse as well.

Crazy people out there

[Toestr]

It's missing the CO2 plug so I'm wondering if the guy took it out unloaded or if the cops unloaded it (I doubt they would know how). It's interesting they say the gun was modified to cause serious injury or death because under Canadian law if it doesn't already cause serious injury or death it could be classified as a replica and therefore illegal to own.

[pdogg77]

The distance we need to put between this stuff and the paintball community cannot be big enough.

I will not be surprised if Z-RAM and its creator are sued into oblivion for knowingly endangering the public with a lethal projectile that is intended to be used in a gun that's shot at people. Paintball calibers need to be allocated strictly to paintball usage.

I get the impression a lot of this stuff comes from countries where traditional firearms are banned or heavily restricted and people are looking for some kind of self defense application.

My worry is someone "pulls an Alec Baldwin" and is playing around with something like this or the metal balls in .68 and accidently leaves one in a breach or in tubes and then I get hit by them. To your point, it isn't a good idea to mix inert and active projectiles in ways that flawlessly interoperate.

[Siress]

I had to google the Rust incident. What a tragedy... Reminds me of The Crow, where Brandon Lee (Bruce Lee's son and star of the film) was killed by a "prop" gun. That crew actually completed the film with a stand-in... I hope the strike is going well for the SAG and everyone else not getting a fair share.

[JeepDVLZ45]

Great. Another “less-lethal” round that the dredges of society can bring to bring to scenario games to impress their friends…..

just further assurance of my decision to only play private games

[Psycho91]

I want some of these markers just to plink around and shoot stuff in the yard, but I would just use paintballs, last thing I'd do is use it for self defense though lol their are just better things even if you can't own firearms anymore

[Cdn_Cuda]

New a guy locally that likes to shoot metal “paintballs”. He did so as target shooting and wanted to give me some. I declined as I don’t want anything other than standard paintballs. Accidentally leave one in the breach and you’re going to serious injure yourself or someone else.

[Hp_lovecraft]

Umarex has sold a similar gun for a while. They work at much higher energy since the projectiles weight 3-times as much. And not much different then the pepperballs then have been around for a long time, like foe the SA-8, etc. Or those "usually not lethal" Tippmann and AGD varieties.

Thats why fields are FRO. The field I worked at would automatically kick you out if caught with frozen paintballs, or anything non-standard. ie gumballs, bathbeads, etc. With the potential for a lifetime ban... but given how long fields last these days, "lifetime ban" doesnt mean what it used to.

It is what it is.

[The Inflicted]

The distance we need to put between this stuff and the paintball community cannot be big enough.

I suppose it's a combination of the low prices and the realistic looks, but the community around the Umarex stuff is very interested in increasing the power output of these guns to dangerous levels. I guess the most surprising thing is that this trend of "lethalizing" paintball guns hadn't really picked up steam before.

On my video on how to get their double-barreled shotgun to shoot 275fps half the comments I've gotten seem to be from people asking how to get 500fps.

[The Inflicted]

Great. Another “less-lethal” round that the dredges of society can bring to bring to scenario games to impress their friends…..

This is already becoming an issue.
I recall a number of accounts from a scenario game up in New England where players were reporting being hit with .68 3D-printed solid projectiles.

[JeepDVLZ45]

I was at one of those games. That comment was from first hand experience

#savetheChuckEDuckys!!

[ATBen]

Welcome to Barrie Ontario everyone! But I suppose if it was easier to get handguns in Canada then this would have involved firearms related charges.

[Toestr]

Airguns are still considered firearms when a crime is committed with one, they're just not subject to the same ownership, transportation and storage laws as actual firearms. Handguns are easy to get in Canada if you're a bonafide criminal. The people who do something like this are the aforementioned 'dredges of society' with anger issues.

[DocsMachine]

Once the idea of a "legal to own" "less-lethal" weapon came around, this was inevitable. I know that almost every ebay search for paintball I make, has some of the steel-ball-core rounds listed as "recommended other items", so I suspect they're selling a lot more than any of us realize.

The one saving grace being that the low-ish out-of-the-box power of the intended guns limits the damage. The big issue is people bringing them to fields and shooting the stuff at higher velocities.

If a player was found with those things on any field I was on- let alone owned- if he just had them with him, I'd call for his immediate ejection. And if a player was found actually using them, I'd call the police and have him charged with assault.

I'm not sure what else can be done about it. The cat, as they say, is out of the bag. Yeah, the smart thing to do would have been to alter the "less than lethal" sizes just enough they wouldn't work on a proper paintball marker- like .705 cal and .58 cal, maybe- but as I understand it, the guns were originally developed to shoot paintballs and pepperballs, and the steel-core stuff came around later.

If you're a field owner, I would suggest putting up a nice big sign that states quite clearly that anyone even bringing those to the field will be criminally charged, and anyone caught using them will be arrested and charged. "No exceptions", etc.

Doc.

[Cdn_Cuda]

Needs to be a program like crushing cars that are street races. Bring a dumb gun/projectile to the field, have your gun destroyed.

[MrBarraclough]

The cat is very much out of the bag. There's no way of stopping anyone from 3D printing a .68 caliber projectile of whatever shape and density they desire. You could impose German-style limits on power output so that projectiles heavier than normal paintballs won't achieve anywhere near the velocity, but those restrictions are pretty trivially circumvented, as German players aptly show.

I agree that the most effective, perhaps only effective, thing the paintball community can do is have zero tolerance for these things appearing at fields. And clearly communicating that.

[Siress]

I'm not sure what else can be done about it. The cat, as they say, is out of the bag. Yeah, the smart thing to do would have been to alter the "less than lethal" sizes just enough they wouldn't work on a proper paintball marker- like .705 cal and .58 cal, maybe- but as I understand it, the guns were originally developed to shoot paintballs and pepperballs, and the steel-core stuff came around later.

Inform the congressional body, influence regulations, force product recalls, and rigorous enforcement.

Frankly, I'd be rather surprised if these aren't already considered illegal by some obscure definition within the airgun regulations.

I came across this and have yet to read it, but I want to when I have time. Perhaps of interest to others: https://blog.petrieflom.law.harvard....ically-needed/

[Psycho91]

Aren't some of these adjustable though, if the mrker is field legal I don't see the problem just check and make sure they ain't shooting nothing they aint supposed to, of course if it was a regular long time player I doubt that would even be a concern, this is deffinatly going to cause a big stir at some point or another, hopefully something doesn't happen and paintball dies off

[DocsMachine]

Frankly, I'd be rather surprised if these aren't already considered illegal by some obscure definition within the airgun regulations.

-That's just it, in the US, there really aren't any "airgun regulations". Airguns aren't firearms, therefore there's no ATF-style restrictions.

Some individual states (or counties or cities, etc.) can have restrictions such as age ranges to buy them, and a few ban them entirely, but for the most part, airgun ownership in the US has very few restrictions. Felons are not barred from having them (they're not "firearms", and there's no law that says they can't have airguns) no are drug users, etc. (Which is a big part of the appeal for them in the US: a felon can still own one, regular drug users [of which there's more and more these days] can possess one and you can get them in places where you can't legally own a firearm. (Chicago, D.C. New York, etc.)

The main market for them is countries where firearm ownership is all but banned outright- same game, airguns are generally only regulated as far as muzzle energy or velocity.

Doc.