When you’re asking why a product isn’t on the market you have to imagine the place in the market where it would theoretically reside.
Phantom: The only Nelson you can easily buy more than one of at any given time. The new owners couldn’t make money at CCI’s prices so they raised the price, A LOT, and contrived unneeded complexity to justify the increased prices. The result is that the stuff is at once ruined AND overpriced. Today a person pays more than ever for the first Phantoms in existence that won’t run off CO2 and the owners just tell you the problems aren’t real. Hopefully they sell the whole thing off but I don’t know to whom.
Used Phantom: there were about 40,000 of these made, many many many still function and can be had for their original retail price or lower. The current best bet.
Gargoyle: While they do seem to work fine they are impossible to find and make even EV Phantoms look cheap.
JT ER2/ER2S: very good price! Terrible gun that is literally painful to use. Also out of production, I’m pretty sure.
Carter: gone/expensive
Nelson: gone
PMI: Gone
Line SI: Gone
Taso: gone
Rebline: gone
So…it’s a weird scene. You’d think there would at least be a Ali express clone or something. To me it’s weird that people would rather buy/make more complex snipers without auto trigger than make Nelson’s but that’s the way it is.
Where in this scenario does a new Nelson fit? Would it be US made? If not…I probably don’t want it. I really truly prefer US made stuff. Nova could offshore you a Phantom and you’d only have to fix three things out of the box but…why? Just to drive down the price of a used Phantom? And how long would the Novantom be on the market? That company is clearly flooding the market and won’t be doing in five years what it’s doing today. Not even GI/JT/Empire can support making that many guns at once, which is why you can hardly find Empire Snipers or ER2Ss at any price.
If it is US made then you have to at least match CCI quality with EV price. That’s possible for sure but not easy. To do it in a way where the gun stays on the market for years and years? I don’t know.
Phantom: The only Nelson you can easily buy more than one of at any given time. The new owners couldn’t make money at CCI’s prices so they raised the price, A LOT, and contrived unneeded complexity to justify the increased prices. The result is that the stuff is at once ruined AND overpriced. Today a person pays more than ever for the first Phantoms in existence that won’t run off CO2 and the owners just tell you the problems aren’t real. Hopefully they sell the whole thing off but I don’t know to whom.
Used Phantom: there were about 40,000 of these made, many many many still function and can be had for their original retail price or lower. The current best bet.
Gargoyle: While they do seem to work fine they are impossible to find and make even EV Phantoms look cheap.
JT ER2/ER2S: very good price! Terrible gun that is literally painful to use. Also out of production, I’m pretty sure.
Carter: gone/expensive
Nelson: gone
PMI: Gone
Line SI: Gone
Taso: gone
Rebline: gone
So…it’s a weird scene. You’d think there would at least be a Ali express clone or something. To me it’s weird that people would rather buy/make more complex snipers without auto trigger than make Nelson’s but that’s the way it is.
Where in this scenario does a new Nelson fit? Would it be US made? If not…I probably don’t want it. I really truly prefer US made stuff. Nova could offshore you a Phantom and you’d only have to fix three things out of the box but…why? Just to drive down the price of a used Phantom? And how long would the Novantom be on the market? That company is clearly flooding the market and won’t be doing in five years what it’s doing today. Not even GI/JT/Empire can support making that many guns at once, which is why you can hardly find Empire Snipers or ER2Ss at any price.
If it is US made then you have to at least match CCI quality with EV price. That’s possible for sure but not easy. To do it in a way where the gun stays on the market for years and years? I don’t know.
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