Building is super easy. Picking out the parts is the hardest part. It's an expensive lego set anymore with almost everything being standard. Long gone are the days of using jumpers and stuff to setup. I learned myself on a youtube video back in 2003 and have built quite a few since. I highly encourage self building as it will teach you how it works and some basic trouble shooting usually too. If you decide to self build I'm sure myself and others in the discord could help you figure it all out as you put it together if you get stuck.
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I was mainly looking at the pre built units trying to figure out what works with what best. I don’t want to over spend on something I will never use. I feel like I did that with my IMac. I just want to play all the new games coming out at max settings without it getting laggy. I don’t need Super HD just a clean crisp look and snappy. So I can see those less obvious players farther out. PC has a larger field of view as well on a lot of games so it’s better for seeing over or around obstacles. It’s a distinct advantage.
A guy I work with just went PC from a gaming Console. He was always a great player. Now the guy is ruthless because the games run so much smoother and quicker. I guess I can still use my Xbox elite controller and map it for the PC as well. So there isn’t a huge learning curve.Comment
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Yep, you can save some coin too by cracking the OS so it doesn't ask you for a key/authentication. Although it's technically pirating, They offer the OS for free. You just need a very small file to crack it. You can also get Win 10 preloaded on a USB stick on eBay for like $10. And then you just download the crack. Don't be scared to ask questions. We're more than happy to answer anything. Run the final list by us too, just to be 100%
Gaming on PC is the best. I converted a few friends when they played Rainbow Six Siege on my PC. They played on their consoles previously. But its night and day. The whole experience is way better.
Edit: Interestingly, when I built my system, the cheapest Win 10 key I could find was $130, so I wound up cracking it. But I just saw Win 10 Pro, w/ authentic key & USB flash drive for $65. You might as well just get an authentic key.
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You don't need to crack Win10. It is free to use if you don't care about a water-mark and not being able to customize the desktop image. You can also find licenses for $13. This is fine for MS office and Windows itself, since these are OEM licenses that are massed produced and essentially are extra licenses. -
A $13 key? Where? Lol
Seriously. It wouldn't be an authentic key. But cracking it is really no big-deal. I wouldn't spend thousands on a system and then leave an unathenticated Windows with a watermark that you'll see regardless of what you do on the PC, and limit your desktop settings as well, etc. All you do is download the KMS Activator, and voila! it's a 5MB download. It even lets you update your Windows 10.
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Awesome thanks for all the help I’m learning a lot. MCB is the best!Comment
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You're welcome. To me, it's not so much about saving money, but rather, allocating it towards other purchases. LOLOriginally posted by Chuck E Ducky View Post
I have a lot of expensive hi-fi home theater equipment, etc. I have two different speaker eco-systems connected to my receiver. One eco-system is the desktop, the other is the game-room with the large screen TV. And My PC is connected to the receiver as well, so I can game or watch any content from my PC on the big screen using the home theater systems. Gettng a PC is worth the HT aspect alone. You can expand your video library by leaps and bounds. And I just alternate screens depending on where I'm sitting.Comment
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Just for funsies - here's what I'd try to build in the next few months (as parts become available) if I were looking to play online shooters (Warzone, Fortnite, R6 Siege, CSGO etc) at very high framerates on a 1080P monitor like the one you linked. This would be excellent at 1440 as well.
Processor : AMD Ryzen 5 5600X
Motherboard : Any decent mid-range X570 or B550 board will do here. Won't impact performance really but get the features that are important to you.
Memory : 16GB 3600MHz (2x8GB) - I've had great luck with G.Skill Ripjaws but don't think brand matters all that much here
System Cooling : Ryzen 5 5600x stock cooler
Graphics Cards : either Nvidia RTX 3070 or AMD 6800 or 6800x, whatever I can get my hands on in the future. With this build I'd lean toward AMD to be honest to take advantage of their new haredware features - with caveat that none of this has been tested by external parties yet since its all so new
Operating System Drive : 1TB PCIe NVMe M.2 - I like the inland ones from microcenter but plenty of good options out there. I like having a1TB as a boot drive. 2TB if you can swing it.
Power Supply : Any good 650W or higher silver or gold rated PSU will do here from a reputable brandComment
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Totally fair. I thought Nvidia recommended 650W for the 3070 but I might be mistaken there. I think 850 would probably be overkill for a 3070 especially when paired with a 65W TDP CPU, unless I am missing something.
Fully agree that waiting for benchmarks is the way to go and more importantly, I also fully agree that PC parts are basically just adult legos! Like I said my build above would be what I'd be looking at hypothetically, as a fun thought exercise.Comment
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No, they suck a lot of juice. You'll also spend more in the long run when you decide to upgrade to a beefier GPU and you're forced to upgrade the PSU as well. Every reputable reviewer is recommending 850W for the 3070 and up; especially if you're running a new CPU: you might be cutting it close wit a 750W, let alone a 650W. Even if you're running an older CPU, 650W almost guarantees you'll have to buy an 850W later on, if you decide to upgrade either the CPU or GPU.Originally posted by Scottybeans View Post
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nv...-shortage-2020Comment
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This is from that article: "Finally, for the Nvidia GeForce RTX 3070 PSU requirements, you'll "only" need 650W for Core i5/i7 & Ryzen 5/7 systems, 750W for Core i9/Ryzen 9 systems, and 850W for HEDT/Threadripper platforms."
Haven't done full research since I still haven't been able to get my hands on a 3070 or 3080, but it looks like this article is saying that with R5 or R7 CPU and RTX 3070, 650W would be fine - not considering unknown future CPU and GPU upgrades. I wouldn't recommend threadripper for a gaming PC anyways.
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Yeah, I mean, it depends on your situation. You might be fine with a 3070 depending on your settings, resolution, etc. But it's an entry level offering. If you decide to go mid-tier with a 3080, you'll need to upgrade from a 650W. It would be more expensive in the long run. Let alone if you get a higher end GPU later on like 3080ti or 3090, etc. But to each their own. I'm in the process of upgrading to either a 3080 or 3080ti and I'm doing a fully dedicated water cooling kit so I went with an 850W, even though it's overkill for me in my current rig config.
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I'd echo the comments above, a 5000 series Ryzen will be a major benefit. I'd also look at the new AMD 6000 series cards as you'll get more bang for buck. Last but not least faster RAM is something Ryzen takes advantage of.My feedback +38/-0 on old MCB
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So should I wait to get my hands on the latest card or will there always be something better waiting in the winds? Some articles Im seeing is there is some new stuff Coming out that is a big jump in tec. Availability Seems to be the issue. Should I wait a few months and see if the new tec drops the price of the quality stuff I want? Black Friday deals maybe?
where’s the best place to shop for the stuff?Comment
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Yes, avilability for the 3000 series has been a huge problem. They're selling like hot cakes. They're substantially better than the 2000's series. And AMD's offerings are due to drop soon, but most likely they will sell out quickly soon. I think that availability will be much better by Christmas and that will also give us a better idea of how the AMD cards compare. But yes, competition is always beneficial for the consumer. It's possible that the AMD cards are really good and Nvidia is forced to drop their prices a bit. That's why it's worth waiting for the dust to settle anyway, even though we don't have much of a choice. I expect AMD to narrow the gap but Nvidia will still be the better card. Either way, competition is great for us consumers.
IMO, the best places are Amazon, Microcenter, and Fry's.(local only) If you have a Microcenter or Fry's in your area, they often times have local deals that beat Amazon. But for the most part Amazon and Microcenter have the best online prices and selection. Newegg used to be great, but now -- not so much.
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How is the used market? If I were to build something now come Christmas I get my hands on a 3000 could I sell my current used 2000. Or people really don’t buy used stuff?Comment
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NP. This was one of the biggest generational leaps in a very long time in terms of performance. And also due to AMD narrowing the gap and becoming more competitive with its 7nm based cards -- Nvidia decided to drop the prices a bit. So that will definitely have an impact on used 2000 series card market valuations. They're just not worth it unless you get a 2080 ti dirt cheap. They're somewhat obsolete if you want acceptable ray tracing and ultra HD performance. The 2000 series was like a ray tracing prototype, made to showcase the technology, but it couldnt run it with acceptable performance. But ray tracing aside, the 3080 wipes the floor with it on all performance levels.
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re: Power Supplies
I talked with the vendor we get our PCs at the office from about the power supply requirements for the new cards and they were recommending at least 1000W. The 3080 card needs 750, then when you start adding in USB devices, extra hard drives, CD/Blu-Ray, etc the overhead that you have disappears pretty quickly. In my use case I'm using it for real-time rendering and 3D work, so the requirements are probably a little more intensive, and I haven't done any PC gaming in ages, so... yeah.
I will say, if you build your own system, get a modular power supply. Running all of those cables again because you decide to upgrade is a huge headache. And stick with reputable brands. You get what you pay for.
edit: I would also go up to at least 32Gb RAM. As mentioned, RAM is cheap right now- might as well get it.Comment
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I'd also suggest a 850w PSU for a 3080 setup, not because it will use that much, but because it will be very efficient. I'm a fan of good power, solves most issues
I think you'll probably run about 650W in total depending on your setup. SSD's and NVME drives use very little power compared to Platter Drives, so no big deal having as many as you want.
I read this guys PSU reviews to help me pickup a Thermaltake 850W (non-RGB) at a steal of $100.
Note that you don't need to overclock at all. Sadly the ability to overclock is diminishing in returns with performance just being stellar to begin with. Just buy your parts and enjoy them.Comment
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So I did a thing. Probably over spent but I don’t feel bad about it. It’s replacing my Xbox and desktop with one unit and the games are going to play better then any Xbox or PlayStation that’s for sure. Just need to find a good Monitor that will take advantage off it all.Processors: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 6-Core 3.7GHz (4.6GHz Max Boost) Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 AORUS Elite Memory: 32GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM 3200MHz RGB (2x16GB) System Cooling: CORSAIR H60 Hydro Series System Fans: ORIGIN PC Maximum Fan Kit Graphics Cards: NVIDIA 8GB GeForce RTX 3070 Operating System: MS Windows 10 Home Operating System Drive: 2TB Samsung 870 QVO Series Power Supply: CORSAIR 850RM SERIES PLUS GOLD PSU Comment
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Chuck E Ducky Solid list. I'd try to bump the GPU up to the 3080 though. If you already hit a limit with your budget, then you can do away with the Corsair H60. The stock cooler is hella good on these new AMD CPUs. I have the Gigabyte x570 Elite myself, currently. Its an awesome mobo. Super stable. For mobos I prefer Gigabyte and Asus. Even over MSI which are pretty good too, but not quite as good. But very solid build you got there even with the 3070. The 3080 would future proof it for at least 4 years though. Did you budget for a case? -
Yes I have a Nice standerd size case The Corsair 500D. Black Aluminum face tempered glass sides. I just grabbed a gaming Monitor last night. Black Friday deals it came with a few games a mechanical gaming keyboard and mouse a Decent wireless headset. I’m going to program my Xbox elite controller to work. I went with a high refresh rate low latency monitor. I did not spring for the 4K resolution because most of those were way out of my price range especially if I wanted any performance like low latency. I should be able to push the high frame rates I want at 1080 and it’s G Sync compatible so that should help if I deside I want to push it a lil.
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