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    #16
    AMD really seems to be stepping up their game, and Intel is treading water (if not currently sinking). If Nvidia buys ARM, then it will be capable of competing with Intel in its own right, and that will further compromise Intel's place in the market. The Nvidia/Intel partnership is one of the major factors keeping Intel competitive, often preferred.

    Intel has been able to keep their processing power up, even with fewer cores per processor... generally compared to AMD processors. But Intel is behind on their latest releases, way behind. And they are on the verge of outsourcing a huge part of their core production in a knee-jerk reaction to try get their newest products to the market.

    Intel's entire recent business model seems shaky looking forward to a future that very possibly will see Nvidia and ARM start producing their own CPU's... weakening the partnership between Intel and Nvidia... making Intel a less attractive option in the gaming community.

    Meanwhile, AMD seems less worried about competing for processor power dominance, and less concerned with actively competing with Intel, as they continue to create their own path forward... packing more and more cores/threads into each new processor. They have effectively created their own market.

    Or at least that is how it appears to me. I am relatively new to this, so I may be missing something. Time established trends often bring things into perspective, and I have only been paying attention to this industry very recently.
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    • Falcon16

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      AMD is making huge strides. Intel is treading water because they know they can and a lot of fanboys will buy their latest and greatest simply because they can. When a Ryzen 3100 which is the entry level 4 core/8 thread chip is besting an i7 7700K in both synthetic benchmarks AND real world tests like compression,encryption and gaming when both CPUS were paired with a 2080Ti it just shows how much Intel is truly treading while being outpaced by AMD. We're seeing now what was happening nearly 20 years ago with AMD being a superior choice for most users and Intel being for people with either A)money to burn or B) a specific use case where the additional threads or IPC performance was actually needed.

    #17
    This all went down in 2017 so it's kind of old news. What has saved Intel is their agreements with PC system vendors (e.g. Dell, HP, et al.) and their data center support infrastructure. Having a near choke hold on ThunderBolt 3 has helped them too; I know that I, nor my global company, will buy a laptop without TB3 these days. They honestly still have a year or two to catch up. I just don't see it happening. They never fully recovered from Spectre and Meltdown vulnerabilities. What's funny to me is that they just keep misbehaving and people just keep buying their chips. My favorite was recent, but I cannot find a concise article on the subject; so this is my recollection of events: Intel allowed a 3rd party with a conflict of interest to release benchmarks for 10th gen CPUs while all of the tech reviewers were still legally prohibited from discussing it due to the embargo, then intel lifted the embargo before the typical time that they and AMD both lift their embargos so that quality comparisons can be made - effectively trying to cut AMD off at the pass. Most of the tech tubers called them out on their BS tactics; e.g. Linus Sebastian. Then, when the AMD veil lifted...that new Intel lineup was slaughtered in top-end performance and price to performance metrics.

    Again, the only thing saving Intel are their contracts with the companies that build the computers most people buy - prebuilt systems. It's finally been long enough of intel not just asleep at the wheel, but actively punching customers in the groin, that we're seeing Ryzen based laptops and desktops from every major system vendor - limited though they are.

    If you want to see the real bloodbath, look at the HEDT market and, given enough time, the data center market. EPYC is so vastly superior to Xeon systems that it's just baffling. A lot of users are losing money for every second that they don't upgrade to EPYC even if they just burn their existing Intel parts rather than selling them. But, new data center chips take time for SysAdmins to become familiar and comfortable with before they'll roll them out en masse.
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    • Siress

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      Oh man. I wish MXM had been more popular. It makes me sad to think about it now. It just makes so much sense, but convincing a focus group of that when they get ~60min to form an opinion is down-right impossible. And that focus group generates the data that the execs. base their decisions on. Foresight is in short supply.

      I'm actually using a ThinkPad X220 as my only laptop, and remote in to my desktop if I need more compute power. It works surprisingly well. The trick is having the IPS display of the time, as any other display option of that era (~2011 I think) looks like garbage. And running linux probably helps keep it running smoothly.

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      I just learned that, hilariously, Intel stock had dropped 17% earlier in the day that I wrote this post. They announced ≥6mo delays on next gen tech (7nm based, like AMD has had for a while)... Not sure why, tbh. They've been behind for years already.

    • DavidBoren
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      Yeah, the dude at Intel just got invited to leave...

    #18
    When figuring out upgrades I use this site, adjust based on your priorities and keep in mind incremental upgrades can wind up costing more in the long run as, say, you'll find the motherboard you just upgraded with the next step cpu and ram won't support the next step video card you're looking at. You can sort on several metrics: raw performance, performance for price, etc.:

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      #19
      While we're sharing resources...
      https://pcpartpicker.com/ for tracking configurations and cursory compatibility checks
      https://www.userbenchmark.com/ for cursory performance measures
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        #20
        The only thing I don't like about AMD today, yes their CPU's are fantastic, are the relatively limited motherboard options. I've always felt the mainstream AMD motherboards always were limited or just not as robust, so you had to look at the higher priced options. That said... 9 and 10th gen Intel is not great either. Of course CPU performance in real life "gaming" and general use has been pretty flat overall.

        Graphics is where all the horsepower is needed. Pushing "4k" resolutions is just a ton of pixels. Feeding the graphics however is not hard with any decent CPU in the last few generations.

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        • Falcon16

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          What you talking about? You can get a very nice B450 board for $150

        • Seajay
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          Ha! You are right. Pretty decent looking motherboards.

        #21
        give tip better to buy computer that not pre built unless give you option customize it. way i will be going from now on. my desk if build it will be around 3 to 4k for it. since i do photography and video

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