Mechanical Planet Eclipse LV Series

[Ego10Baller]

I don't suppose that anyone has heard any rumors of a mechanical version of the Planet Eclipse LV (1.6) series of marker? Or perhaps a mechanical frame for it? I would pre-order one if it were made; for myself, it would be the perfect platform. Given that they have a mechanical frame for the CS2 and 170r, it doesn't seem to be too much of a stretch that they could make one for the LV series. I'm very curious to hear y'alls input on the matter.

[BrickHaus]

Totally different animals from what I understand.

Look up the mechintimador or how ever its spelled under custom projects here. Its essentially a mechd intimitador and it took a metric ton of pneumatic stuff to make work. The LV is essentially a timmy( stacked tube rammer marker) , so id imagine the mech kit would be the same as a timmy. Controlling the dwell is hard on a rammer system. Its not going to be a drop in slightly modified version of the gmek, cs, or 170 mech kits.

[Ego10Baller]

I see. Bummer. Thank you very much for the insight on it

[Jonnydread]

Yeah I think meching a spoolie is a bit more straight forward. I'm imagining that once all is said in done meching a poppet would end up looking kind of autocockery with all the extra pneumatic junk.

[Chuck E Ducky]

The CS2 Mech frame rips. But that new Shocker engine is even faster I guess they made it more efficient then they use to be.

I just can’t justify the cost of a new CS2 and a frame. Everything PE is getting up charged because of supply issues.

I’m sticking with the M170R and my Emek for now. I don’t need to shoot faster then what they are capable of.

[gabe]

Doubtful anyone will work out a mech frame for a poppet style like an intimidator. By its very nature it's dwell sensitive and even a mechanical dwell valve has enough variance that it wouldn't work at all consistently. Best bet would be to basically convert it back to a spyder although with the lever valve I'm not sure how feasible that is.

I'm an LV1 diehard and love mine but these new mech spools are amazing. I got a CVO earlier this year and haven't picked up my LV1 except once this whole season. Try out an M170r or CVO before writing them off.

[Ego10Baller]

For sure! I own an M170R; I was simply curious as to the possibly of a mech LV. I’m sad to hear that it isn’t realistic but I’m glad to have an answer also

[Cunha]

Best way to mech an LV1 would be to make it a blowback.

But no body wants that

[Jonnydread]

this was my first thought as well lol

[heyzeus]

The new MacDev mech frames auto reset the switch and not the bolt/engine. It could have applications for a stacked tube rammer.

https://youtu.be/wGLlzm0VbA8

[imped4now]

Yep - this is a good example.

If nobody has realized it yet, MacDev is using (with paid permission) J4's pneumatic feedback mechanical switch patent in the XDR. See here for more information on the patented design: https://www.pbnation.com/showthread....9&highlight=j4

The Infinity Drive relies on a pneumatic signal to reset the bolt (which is performed by a solenoid switching after a preset dwell time in electronic mode). In mechanical mode (in the XDR utilizing J4 tech), the valve switches based on a feedback signal from the shot chamber, which works very nicely as long as the supply is isolated from the chamber while the bolt is forward, which MacDev does utilizing the bolt itself + inner can 019 seal. It's quite clever.

[ford]

I mean... wouldn't a mech LV just be a better looking auto cocker? But maybe open bolt?

I'm not saying I wouldn't want one, but I don't see how an Emek wouldn't eat an LV's lunch.

[imped4now]

No - a mechanical LV and an Autococker don't work similarly, seeing as the firing and cycling portions of the cycle are directly linked in an LV.

[superman]

Isn't the j4 similar but different.....

https://www.facebook.com/j4paintball/photos/a.432813363458909/5936380829768774/

https://www.facebook.com/432811366792442/videos/816607289168820

https://www.facebook.com/432811366792442/videos/282377116155861

[imped4now]

Similar in that it's stacked tube, different in essentially every other way.

But yes, the system in the Torque lends itself to being mechanically actuated naturally. The initial Torque mule was mechanical and, in fact, that's the next item on J4's list.

[Dusty Bottoms]

I also wanted something like this when I briefly owned an Etek3. I kept thinking how much more I would like it if it was a single trigger mech. I guess that would be kind of a cocker/Spyder bastard hybrid.

[Trbo323]

Yeah you can't really mech a stacked tube poppet because the velocity is dwell sensitive. It would need some sort of dump chamber that would empty with each shoot

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[heyzeus]

Technically Spyders and ‘Cockers are mechanical stack tubed poppets. They’re just driven with a spring and hammer rather than air and rammer.

I can actually see an air/rammer/blow back system but instead of the blow back resetting the rammer, it signals the switch in the MacDev frame to reset.

[flyweightnate]

A sensing line on the side of the valve would detect when it opens; that could run a latching pilot on the switch... Laying off the trigger could release the pilot, getting it ready for the next round. It might be easier to have the return run on a spring, though. Faster than air and requires fewer air lines.

Complicated but could be fun.

[Ego10Baller]

If J4 does, my uneducated guess is that it would be an outstanding differentiator for them from the competition. I know I'd probably pick one up and prior to hearing this I had no interest whatsoever in the J4 as I don't use electros currently

[imped4now]

This is a separate patent from the Torque, as the Torque doesn't actually need such a system: https://www.pbnation.com/showthread....9&highlight=j4. If you scroll up a few posts you'll see me mention this and the XDR.

On a different topic, Josh/J4 and the Torque are still very much alive. I just received an updated aluminum spool for mine, as well as a new barrel that will soon be released (which will help with funding the mech frame/switch project). I love my Torque.

[flyweightnate]

Yeah, the things just shoot... different. So glad I snagged one.

What are your thoughts on the barrel?

[Trbo323]

A sensing line on the side of the valve would detect when it opens; that could run a latching pilot on the switch... Laying off the trigger could release the pilot, getting it ready for the next round. It might be easier to have the return run on a spring, though. Faster than air and requires fewer air lines.

Complicated but could be fun.

Yeah, at this point you are basically designing a new marker. Much easier to start from the ground up over forcing an already established marker to do things it was never designed to do and that's just assuming there is enough space in the marker to fit different equipment

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[imped4now]

I don't suppose that anyone has heard any rumors of a mechanical version of the Planet Eclipse LV (1.6) series of marker? Or perhaps a mechanical frame for it? I would pre-order one if it were made; for myself, it would be the perfect platform. Given that they have a mechanical frame for the CS2 and 170r, it doesn't seem to be too much of a stretch that they could make one for the LV series. I'm very curious to hear y'alls input on the matter.

Understanding how the Gamma Core works is fundamental in this discussion, and to understand what makes it so unique in the world of spool valve systems. In that system, all the solenoid does is "kick off" the cycle by venting the rear switch chamber. Once that single event occurs, the remainder of the cycle is completely driven by the shot chamber, including the valve closure (breech-sensing), bolt forward event (2 stages through the bolt guide) and bolt reset (air spring supplied by the chamber itself). It's quite literally analogous to Dominos falling, only in a pneumatic sequence. This is why the system is so incredibly durable AND what makes it work so well and naturally under mechanical actuation. Not to mention the small/simple/cheap solenoid and simple routing afforded by such a layout. If you haven't already made the connection, this is what a blowback (such as a Spyder) does - the valve chamber resets the hammer/bolt.

If you're unaware, this exists: https://youtu.be/Lq3sjXnFmbQ

The LV and other stacked tube poppet valve markers rely on PCB-controlled dwell times to close the valve AND to reset the bolt position - in other words, a board and a solenoid communicate to handle that job. Under mechanical actuation, the valve has to "talk to itself", thus it needs a feedback signal, otherwise the valve will just either remain open or very lazily close, which will be inefficient and inconsistent.