Best Electro Blowback?

[Toestr]

What are the issues with the rocking frame? I always thought they looked cool.

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[nerdcore]

Cousin got one for his Electra. Like pghp8ntballer said, the spacing between the 2 microswitches did feel a bit off.

At the time, some fields didn't allow them because of the dual switches, which was irrelevant because the marker couldn't shoot any faster. It's not like anyone could hit both switches at the same time, or if the marker could even recognize that in any way.

[pghp8ntballer]

The VS2 was a normal e-frame. The VS3 came with the rocking frame.

Ive never used a rocking frame but I heard a rumor before that some people didn’t like them because your fingers needed spaced out more to trip both trigger switches. But like I said, that’s hear-say

[THE_Incredible_Hulk]

If I get one, I need the ROF to 10 bps or less to use at my local field even for rec play. I've found some Tadao boards and I'm assuming they can be flashed down to 10 but they say they're not compatible with the rocking frame.

[Jonnydread]

The rocking frames feel awkward, but they're fast. It was a cool idea, especially back in the days of the bps war

[glaman5266]

No one has mentioned the Evil Omen 2.0 yet. Surprised, yet not...
It's not a traditional STBB like a Spyder/Piranha/Azodin, but has a 2pc hammer that allows for closed bolt operation & a cam arm attached to a panel that pushes the balls into the breech from the side (offset feed).

Basically, the 1.0 was garbage, the 1.5 had a few issues yet and wasn't quite there, but the 2.0 was a freaking awesome marker. Unfortunately, Evil kinda soured the name of it in the process of perfecting it, so you don't see too many of them. I've worked on several (just rebuilds, lol) and they're really neat markers. LP operation, smooth action, offset feed and wicked fast. The Evil Driver barrel that comes stock is excellent. The only downside is it's HEAVY, even for it's overall size & compared to other blowbacks.

Aside from the Omen, I think Piranhas are severely underrated. I've heard good things about Azodin as well (anno jobs aside).

[DavidBoren]

I wouldn't put the Omen on a list of best shot quality.

Sure, it is innovative and neat. But the operation is less refined.

The spring-powered closed bolt feels like lag, compared to the ram-assisted operation of an Autococker. It is similar to, but not as bad as, the delay you get in the springy Anti-Chop bolts. The timing is off, and never feels right even when it is performing correctly.

It's a really cool marker, and I am a huge fan of all things Evil... but it does not belong on a list of markers that exhibit excellent shot quality.

[glaman5266]

I know what you're saying about the springy/laggy feel, but the action isn't tied to the trigger pull like on a cocker. Actually kinda reminds me of an e-cocker in that way. Definitely something to get used to, but I don't think it's that bad. I guess I just like a more distinct action.

Every Omen (2.0) I've shot was pretty dang good once I was done rebuilding them. Just thought I'd throw it out there.

[flyweightnate]

The rocking trigger was banned on a technicality; it has two switches which means it ran afoul of one shot per "pull" somehow.

I've put the VS2 valve in other slim- bodied spyders and been impressed.

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[DavidBoren]

"Somehow" being the operative word.

If anything, two switches is what guarantees it only shoots once per pull. It's just another example of people banning things they don't understand, rather than doing the necessary research to learn that it's harmless.

The whole thing is janky, though. The spacing is weird. The actual rocking motion is not natural or intuitive as one might think/expect/want. It's all gimmick, snake oil.

You are guaranteed to be faster with walking a normal trigger, all else being equal.

[Seajay]

I wouldn't say it's snake oil. It does work. The thing about it is it isn't really a trigger in the normal terms. It's really a fancy button masher. You don't walk your fingers you just click switches at the right interval, pushing buttons. It can be super fast once you figure it out.

[Magmoormaster]

It ran afoul of the one shot per pull thing because it was possible without any modification to set the trigger in such a way that you could trip both switches with one pull of the trigger. Basically setting it so it would trip one switch on the pull, and the other on the release. The trigger could be set so that one side at rest would be tripping one of the sensors. Basically a mechanically operated Turbo or RT mode (not RT like Tippmann RT, I meanr RT in that early 2000s board manufacturers called the mode RT mode).

Totally agree though, they are not natural at all. A regular trigger shape running one switch is definitely going to be faster.

[DavidBoren]

The rubber band around one half of the trigger? Lol.

People would cut a rubber band and sandwich the ends under the grip panels, constantly pulling one half of the trigger... making it essentially a single trigger reactive frame.

[Nish]

ACI Blind Rage was another good one.

[spikeball]

Wow. That's a neat marker. I never even knew they made that. Was it A5 threaded like the F4?

[Nish]

Cocker threaded

[spikeball]

I'll vouch for the Evo. They were impressive when upgraded with a Boss trigger and bolt. Those pieces are out of production now. Even without those parts, they're great electro blowbacks. My favorite thing about them is they didn't require 9.6v and worked fine with a regular 9v, so a bit easier to keep running through the day.

[nerdcore]

Best blowback isn't stock. Any Spyder with AKA internals & a reg. Feels like a different marker.

[Tarsun2]

i vote azodin. They kept up as the STBB's started falling out of popularity. They also have a model with an adjustable balanced valve. (neo power valve)

the old spyders are ok but heavy and chunky. the triggers are loose too. Dont waste your time with the rocking trigger except for nostalgia reasons...
the VS2 and RS/RSX were the cream of the crop back in the day for kingman.

i have to say though, that the 08-09 electra with eyes was probably the best spyder that kingman ever made. Small, light, electronic with eyes, magnetic trigger, good vert reg, delrin bolt with quick release pin, on/off asa, 2 piece barrel, and locking feed neck.

[Solmangrundy]

Azodin because of the Zero system. kinda peeved though that the EVO 2 doesn't have an adjustable valve like the Zenith did.

You can also get the board programmed to w/e you want albeit you have to find a guy who has their board flasher/programmer, they're very stingey on who they give those out to.

Spyder fenix 2012 would be the runner up.

But what all these guns suffer from is just piss poor board options/functions. I want that full control over BPS in all modes. Nobody gives us that.