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    Recommendations for a Loaner Pump

    I’m wondering for myself, but also thought this would be a solid topic to get some takes from the community on:

    In this day and age, what do you think is the best easily available option (be it on the used market, or a current production marker) for a loaner pump?

    I’ve got friends who have not played since they were teenagers, and who may not be as interested in renting Emeks and playing with the typical semi crowd, but whose ears always perk up when I mention pump-only or stock class events (and I’m lucky enough to live in a place where they happen with a degree of frequency).

    I’d really love to scoop up a dirt simple, user-friendly loaner pump that I can offer to encourage them to participate. Something like my beloved Empire Trracer would be ideal, but they pop up for sale less and less these days and I’m thinking I may need to go a different route.


    I think my criteria are mainly:

    -Affordability. I really don’t want to spend a lot if I don’t have to. I also don’t want to care too much about this marker, and the more money I spend the more I’m going to.

    -User-friendliness. I would like for it to be as simple to operate as possible, and with some quality of life features like anti-double feed, a detent (or the ability to easily add one), velocity adjuster, removable barrel, and maybe the option to add a bottom line although that one isn’t as important

    -Dependability. Need something that can take a licking’ and keep on tickin’

    -Fun factor. This is kind of an intangible, but some markers are just plain fun to play with and as I’m trying to help some friends who are already interested but may just need that little bit of a push to get back into it, giving them something that’s gonna put a smile on their face when they use it is a huge plus.

    Ability to take HPA is a plus but not a requirement. And I’ve got a stock class feed I can attach to any standard marker, so I’m not so worried about the transition between stock and open class play.

    So what would you get, or what do you use for a similar purpose? Like I said I really wish Empire never discontinued the Trracer because it checks off so many of those boxes, but at this point anything I find related to that marker is probably just going to go toward keeping the ones I have running.

    Been thinking a lot about a SL68 II, or maybe an old Trracer/Maverick/etc clone (though I think it would take some modding to get them to where I need them to be). Open to any and all suggestions. Thanks homies!

    #2
    Buy yourself a Phantom or Sniper platform and pass the Tracer on as your loaner. You know how to keep it up and running for a work horse.

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    • Grendel

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      ^ Yup this is what I was coming here to say as well.

    #3
    I agree with NONOBLITUS on this one.

    Keep that tracer for a loaner/backup.

    Other option is to grab a phantom for your loaner (or a second tracer). They're cheap, reliable, super easy to maintain and very customizable. (Don't have a great pump stroke thkugh)

    Get one with ASP modded or freak bored to help your first timers out with rollouts/double feeds. It'll help to be sure they have a good time. I have a phantom (or two mow) as my loaner(s)


    side note, where are you located?

    We're willing to travel for StockClass....Pump only/SC games are kinda a thing around here...curious of we've played together or will in the future
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      #4
      Originally posted by NONOBLITUS View Post
      Buy yourself a Phantom or Sniper platform and pass the Tracer on as your loaner. You know how to keep it up and running for a work horse.
      Not a bad call, I would really like a Sniper one day. I’m not the hugest fan of Phantoms (used to own one but sold it), I think they’re aesthetically pleasing as all hell but I’ll take my Empire Trracer over them any day. Despite the cheaper construction it has all the quality of life features a Phantom doesn’t (cocker barrel, bore drop, anti double feed, decent-ish pump stroke), plus it actually does both stock class and open class reasonably well (open class Phantoms are just weird to me). Phantom’s definitely got it beat in the craftsmanship department and with the VSC, but IMO that’s about it.

      ​​​

      Originally posted by JeepDVLZ45 View Post
      side note, where are you located?

      We're willing to travel for StockClass....Pump only/SC games are kinda a thing around here...curious of we've played together or will in the future
      I’m in Mass! Kinda doubtful we’ve played together as I only managed to make it up to OSG a handful of times this year and most of those were just regular walk-on days, and prior to that I was moving around a lot and hadn’t played in a couple years. Getting ready for a hell of a spring though so maybe we can see about that

      Really wanted to go to Stocktoberfest this year but real life got in the way sadly. Next year I’ll be there for sure.

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      #5
      Sl68s are hard to beat for the price.

      I also love a good sniper. Something about the easy manner of racking the sear makes them good for a new pump player who may limp wrist a pump
      Last edited by BrickHaus; 12-05-2022, 04:43 PM.
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        #6
        Here is a cheap sniper if you are interested.

        Psychobalistic Lightning sniper project all assembled but not tested Pump have seen better day but work well and slide with no issue Trilogy 1.5 finger frame Feedneck slightly bent where the hopper go in, regular hopper fit too tight but amo box (included) fit well. Fit with the body is perfect. Those feed are removable with a


        They are autococker clone and use many common parts.
        You can upgrade parts later if you decide (slider frame).

        Work great and HPA and the feedneck are held by a setscrew so you can remove them or change them easily. I can 3d print a cram and jam adaptor if you are interested.
        💀Team Ragnastock💀

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        • Hellion360

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          You should definitely pick this up. I almost bought it just out of habit since I lend guns to family often. But then I remembered that my habit means I have plenty of loaners already. It is a good pickup.

        • Cdn_Cuda

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          This would be my suggestion as well. Comfortable to play with, easy to aim, nice pump stroke and if you get bored you can tinker with it.

        #7
        Get an original Trracer or Maverick. Cheap, sturdy and performs well.
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          #8
          I agree. The Trracer is the choice. It’s the most common hassle free pump ever…as in very very common and very very hassle free.

          I mean the PMI version of course, I don’t know anything about the Empire one.

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            #9
            I have a used trracer for sale, never let me down.
            Dealer for: Roasted coffee and TechT products.

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              #10
              Originally posted by SignOfZeta View Post
              I agree. The Trracer is the choice. It’s the most common hassle free pump ever…as in very very common and very very hassle free.

              I mean the PMI version of course, I don’t know anything about the Empire one.
              Just an updated version of it really, improved in most ways save for the plastic BT grip frame which is a bit of a downgrade from the original if I’m being honest. Internals are slightly different (they moved away from the original’s stumpy powertube in favor of a more traditional Nelson tube), and probably the biggest design flaw is that some exec decided that the best thing to manufacture the bolt out of was SOFT ALUMINUM, but that’s easily fixable by dropping a stainless steel bolt from a Razorback/Scorpion in it.

              Also instead of having a normal feedback it utilizes this kind of clip-on rail system to mount the feed, which was probably the biggest design change and has its pros and cons. Probably the best thing about it is that it makes switching from open class to stock class tool-less and instant, and also that with a stock class feed (which you actually have to modify yourself, because they made spring feeds for these but not stock class feeds for some reason) the rail system allows it to sit low, basically parallel to the body. Biggest con is that adapter piece can wear out and then your feed becomes wobbly (fixable by burying some set screws into the plastic).

              So it for sure has some design “quirks”...but it’s still one of the more modern Nelsons manufactured. The cocker threading and anti double feed are what made it for me. Due to it being a bore drop with a big bore barrel, rollouts completely kill it unless you’ve got something to act as a detent. Fortunately freedummy’s detents completely save this marker and make it fieldable once again.

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                #11
                The Azodin KP series are good. They have nubbin detents and are cocker threaded so you can use a barrel kit. The original just had a gas through grip so no need to worry about maintaining/adjusting a reg, just adjust the rva. The second gen has a crappy reg stock, but can be switched to a gas through easily (you may also have to swap out the valve body for a higher pressure version in this gen). The KP3 you may want to avoid just because of the additional cost but it comes with an on/off, nicer stock barrel and pump kit (two pump rods). Same crappy reg as before. There's also an autotrigger kit available for all generations. First and second gen KPs go for $50-150 and KP3s go for $150-300 depending on condition.

                Otherwise pretty much any mass produced Nelson will fit the bill for being cheap and reliable.


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                  #12
                  Sniper!!!! with a reg preferably - post 2K look like crap but are insano reliable. we play allot of outlaw pump and I loan allot of guns - guys with snipers always have a good day.
                  phantom second, but people have a tough time with pump stroke.
                  SL's and tracers are the lowest on list stictly due to overbored barrels. its hard enough for a newb to pump a gun and play - constant rollouts only serve to frustrate them!
                  snipers have no shortage of cheep, freak bored barrels available

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                    #13
                    I'm going to assume you are happy with your Trracer, and aren't interested in replacing it at this point.

                    Get a Phantom.... The parts needed to set it up with the mods you need, are readily available (Freak, ASP mod, feed options, ASA options, pump geometry, reliability, ease of maintenance) Just because they aren't your cup of tea, doesn't mean they don't make a good loaner.
                    You've used them before, and are familiar with them. A Phantom is already set up to autotrigger, and works with HPA or Co2.

                    A Maverick, PMI Trracer, or other Nelson clone will also work, just be aware that they do not have as many options readily available, as the Phantom.

                    As for a Sniper, they will also work. The pump stroke is different than what you are used to. Reliability is not an issue, that problem goes out the window when you take the pneumatics and timing out of the picture. Barrels are readily available, and they can be set up with autotrigger.

                    Reliability and lack of rollouts are two of the primary features of a good loaner. Aesthetics also need to be considered when luring new people to the game.

                    What you get, will ultimately be decided by how much you can pay. Prices are stupid crazy at the moment.

                    Good hunting.......


                    Walker
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                      #14
                      I recommend either or both of the excellent and very reasonably priced pumps I happen to be selling.

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                      Recently rebuilt, shoots great. The barrel is freak bored. Comes with CCI bucket that needs a new seal, and a PBDNA JELO. $275, discount for local pickup. ​​



                      Comes with glued Dye two-piece in 686, 100 round shake and shoot, and elbow thing. R rebuilt professionally a few months ago and shoots great. ​​​ $250, discount for local pickup.

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                        #15
                        Originally posted by Walker View Post

                        Reliability and lack of rollouts are two of the primary features of a good loaner. Aesthetics also need to be considered when luring new people to the game.
                        Agreed on both. I’m now fully leaning toward buying a nicer marker than my Trracer since it already will make a fantastic loaner, and then I can have something that feels a bit more quality in the hands so I can say “ok you’ve used that one, now take this one for a spin.”

                        Probably gonna be a Sniper, might be some kind of boutique Nelson since I’m a bit of a hipster, we’ll see.

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                        • procarbie
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                          So in truth that’s why I’ve never gotten one. I know I like the Nelson design, something just feels right about them. The smoother pump stroke and just kind of the aesthetic of Snipers and similar markers has always been appealing, but I’m definitely not certain I’d like them. But I am definitely interested in finding out the answer to that question.

                          In truth, I’m in no rush to purchase at the moment. I’ve got the winter to peruse new sales (which if I’m being honest is half the fun anyway), and trust me, I don’t have a high enough budget that I stand to find myself in such a serious case of buyer’s remorse if I don’t like what I get. If I do get a Sniper, it would be a used one for a good deal (and for anyone who is selling just that right now, please don’t spam me, I saw your sales thread), and if I didn’t like it oh well, it will just become my new loaner instead of my Trracer which I already know I like.

                          To that end, the truth is that personally there’s a degree of chintziness I enjoy in paintball. I like when markers feel cheap and rugged, when I can hit the field with them and not worry if I drop them or scratch up the anno crawling through the brush, and when I know they are just gonna work every time (hence my username, a reference to my favorite marker of all time). That’s part of what draws me to the Trracer, and even that I bought used for cheap (learned my lesson after buying a Phantom brand new many years ago).

                        • glaman5266
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                          procarbie I totally hear you on that. Sometimes you do just have to buy one.

                          And I'm the same way with paintguns- I love my Trilogy & Pro Carb. My Pro Carb goes almost everywhere with me even if I don't plan to use it. Snipers aren't that bad though- basically a Sheridan inside an aluminum body instead of brass tubing. Pretty easy to figure out. With a stock WGP fixed reg, just set the hammer lug where you want it & run it.

                        • procarbie
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                          Another kinda underrated thing that I’ve always loved about the tippmann carbine series is that they have the same basic lines and feel as a Nelson pump, basically the semiautomatic first cousins of a Phantom or Trracer.
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