Are there any markers/changers that can use non threaded 16 or 20 gram co2 cartridges

[Twisted G]

Would be cool to get a few more shots. .

[Jonnydread]

Brass eagle made an adapter for these back in the day... I think?

[Jonnydread]

actually now that I think of it I think I may have one of the adapters, I'll check the garage when I get home from work

[XEMON]

JT makes 90g co2 cartridge, but i think they are threaded ...

Jonnydread is correct about some old BE adapter

Also, a common thing is to use multipe 12g in the same chamber, this is an inheritance from teh pellet rifle world.

[DocsMachine]

The biggest problem with that is cost. Anything other than a standard 12-gram is considerably more expensive.

I looked into this just a year or two ago- I'd run across a box of 8-gram chargers meant for those old seltzer bottles, and made a slightly shorter drop-out changer for my Phantom. I picked up a box of 16 grams off eBay, and was going to try and make a changer for those, too. Prices ranged from $2 to $6 each.

It's certainly possible to make a changer, but given what it'd cost to make, and a couple packs of carts, you might as well just buy a 13ci HPA.

Doc.

[Twisted G]

The biggest problem with that is cost. Anything other than a standard 12-gram is considerably more expensive.

I looked into this just a year or two ago- I'd run across a box of 8-gram chargers meant for those old seltzer bottles, and made a slightly shorter drop-out changer for my Phantom. I picked up a box of 16 grams off eBay, and was going to try and make a changer for those, too. Prices ranged from $2 to $6 each.

It's certainly possible to make a changer, but given what it'd cost to make, and a couple packs of carts, you might as well just buy a 13ci HPA.

Doc.

Oh yeah you are right on price part. Makes sense, its not a bulk made item like 12g or even 8g. I just figured since most of us are lucky if we even play once a month. Why not splurge on the bigger carts. A pack of 5 or 10 seems like would last a bunch of us the whole day maybe even 2.

Are you allowed to use 16 or 20 gram carts in stock class games? Even if not, I do still enjoy using 12 grams. Makes the game harder just like playing magfed does. .

[Twisted G]

JT makes 90g co2 cartridge, but i think they are threaded ...

Jonnydread is correct about some old BE adapter

Also, a common thing is to use multipe 12g in the same chamber, this is an inheritance from teh pellet rifle world.

yeah those 90g have an asa adapter and you just treat it like a small capacity co2 tank. Kinda cool for someone who plays with a co2 only marker occasionally and does not shoot that much with it either. .

[XEMON]

I need to get a few of those for the some of the old guns i dont shoot that often ...

[DocsMachine]

The issue with the big 88 and 90 gram carts is even worse- those things are anywhere from $10 to $16 each, which is pretty spendy compared to filling a 7-ounce tank. (Which holds more than twice as much.)

The screw-in cartridges were a sales gimmick. That was an easy- and legal- way to include a full tank with the bubble-packed blowbacks that the Big Box Stores used to carry. It was tough to sell a gun the kids couldn't even use 'til they found a place to fill a tank, so that was an easy way to include air with the markers.

And getting the kids to buy more tanks- also at the box stores- was another revenue source.

They might be fun to screw around with once or twice, but they'd be pretty expensive for regular play.

That said, one idea I've been wanting to try, is to make a Phantom vertical ASA- mounted to the front of the trigger guard- that is just a small, threaded block, that a threaded 16G screws right into. No buckets, no changer, just a threaded bock with a pin and seal.

Doc.

[XEMON]

That said, one idea I've been wanting to try, is to make a Phantom vertical ASA- mounted to the front of the trigger guard- that is just a small, threaded block, that a threaded 16G screws right into. No buckets, no changer, just a threaded bock with a pin and seal.
Doc.

Count me in, id get one or 2 for sure!

[Hp_lovecraft]

I think every has those same thoughts.
I can remember way back around 1990, we were into homebrewing, so those 16gram co2s were common. And I would think.... boy, that could give you an advantage, if only slightly. They were about 1/10 of an inch wider, but it was enough that it mean you could have to modify the changer... not a big deal, except it meant no going back.

Then around 1991 or so, TASO released those mini-max, and mighty-max co2s. 1/2oz and 1oz or so. The tanks themselves were obviously from some industrial application, but taso was selling the adapter. It kinda made sense as some fields still had restrictions on "Constant air" at the time. Somewhere on the bottom of my gear box is one of those adapters. Used only once, realized it was only a gimmick

[DocsMachine]

Just got in a pack of threaded 16-gram cartridges off eBay, plus one of those bicycle tire inflators (the most common use for these) that I'm hoping to be able to rob the piercing pin out of.

I didn't know, but was happy to see the neck is a standard 3/8"-24, same as the old pre-2K 'Cocker/Sniper front block and pump rod threads.

Soon as I get a spare few minutes, I'll try whipping up a Phantom VSC adaptor.

Doc.

[DocsMachine]

Oh, and it's also worth noting that you can also get 8-gram, 12-gram (!) 20-gram, 24-gram and 33-gram with the same 3/8"-24 neck.

As noted, though, cost is still an issue- best price I can find for the threaded 12's is a buck each, which isn't bad, but that moves rapidly upward to roughly fifteen bucks for a single 33 gram. These 16s I got were two bucks each, unbranded, in bulk. You'll pay twice to three times that buying one branded specifically for one of the tire inflators.

Doc.

[Twisted G]

DocsMachine Gonna be cool to see the co2 cart threaded into the vasa. A very cold mini foregrip. .

[bacci paintball]

Bud Orr made the DC-9 constant air system which used two of these threaded cartridges mounted on the back of a Sheridan.
See this scan on Tom Boyer's old Magazine Scan site:

https://oldpaintballmagazines.smugmug.com/Action-Pursuit-Games/1987/Dec-1987-APG/i-M8vQGWH/A

[DocsMachine]

Yep. and apart from that single photo and article, I've never found any other references, or pictures of one in the wild, or heard from anyone that used one.

That setup, by the way, used two off-the shelf life vest piercing assemblies. You screwed in both carts, then could puncture one or the other or both, with a little lever. I think both had to be empty to remove 'em, as I don't think there was a check valve.

Always wondered how many of them he made. Back in those early days, things like the 90-gram and 133-gram carts were probably more useful than today, since not every field had the capacity to fill. (Since most players were still using 12-grams.)

But now, it's just a fun alternative.

Doc.