.50 Cal revolver comparison

[Shane-O]

Umarex or Roscoe?
Which do you prefer and why please. I do want to be able to shoot FSR and Round ball, is either one better for either? This is a for fun gun, maybe a backup sidearm just for giggles.

[The Inflicted]

Don't forget the Sellsword.

[Shane-O]

Well. those are interesting! Have you used any of the Revolver conversion kits?

[Chuck E Ducky]

I got two of the Umarex with Williams velocity adjusters and dual speed wheels. They biggest issue with them is the paint it’s self. 50 cal Paint and FS are pretty useless. I got two to have a dulling set. If you plan on playing against a standard paint player I would take a slingshot over it. The mark is tiny and you barely feel them hit especially against someone prepared to take a standard paint shot. So it’s difficult to get anyone to call it even if you get close enough to get the paint to break. The FS are expensive and cute but lack the mass to fly well.

[Trbo323]

Tldr: Roscoe. Sorry this ended up longer than I intended

Now understand, while I've owned both, I have played with neither yet.

I got the Roscoe as a long term keeper, my daughter is 3 and I figure someday she will want to play and chances are that's on a 50cal field so I wanted something that would limit me and I could have fun with while shooting at a bunch of 8 year olds

Got a tr50 in a eBay lot auction, was kind of excited about it but once I got it I really didn't like it. Tbe ergonomics were not terrible, I REALLY wanted it to have a hammer. I'm usually not a fan of clamshell designs but a plastic clamshell is even worse. I'm not a fan of how they did the cylinder changer. Also because the valve setup takes up so much space they have a much shorter barrel. The pierce assembly is garbage in my opinion. Umarex makes it look like you give it a decent little whack and that's all that's needed. I had to pound mine on my palm 3 times and with enough force that I felt it for a few minutes after. Lots of people have had a hard time getting that cap off after it's had pressure applied to the point that lots end up putting a larger cap over it so it's easier to get off. I had to put mine in a vice to get the cap off, might have been overkill but still, shouldn't need tools. The thing that I just couldn't do though was the trigger. It has to do with the way the barrel articulates into the cylinder to create a better seal. It pushes too hard and makes the trigger really stiff if you are pulling it slowly. Pulling fast its noticable but better. But it basically came down to the trigger feel was not predictable which I just couldn't stand.

Up sides: it's cheaper, more compact overall and you can have the velocity adjuster gizmo

Roscoe:

So, traded the t4e, got the roscoe. The first thing I noticed is it's a chonk. The whole front end feels like it's solid aluminum. Maybe hold a spyder with one hand (no hopper tank) and that's in the ballpark of what it feels like. The break action is smooth and clicks solidly closed. The only down side with it is you really can't flip it closed. The cylinders have such a smooth action when they slide on and off the center post that they go flying out before the action closes. While the barrel is still an articulating design like the t4e, it doesn't push into the cylinder nearly as hard so the trigger is way more predictable when pulling slowly. You can operate it as single or double action so if you want slow trigger pulls, just run it as single action and the trigger is already halfway back. As far as I know the mechanicals inside operate the exact same as a firearms revolver which is kind of cool if you ask me. Changing the co2 isn't great but it's also not as bad as I thought it would be. Certainly no tools needed. It dry fires over 70 times on a single 12g, not sure how many that will be at velocity but since I have enough cylinders to carry 72 rounds, I figure worst case is I need to change 1 co2 per game. I actually really like the styling of it as well

The two things I've heard reported are, no velocity adjustment (obviously) although FS does sell a high velocity valve for it and I've heard people say the barrel is bored too small. I got my hands on a spare hammer and barrel. I'm going to try putting a set screw in the hammer as velocity control and honing out the barrel if that's actually needed one I get paint

Roscoe is more expensive ($50 more) and on average the cylinders are about $2.50 more each. That all said, you can still get a roscoe and a decent chunk of cylinders for under $200 .

I threw a $40 holographic on mine because, why not, I'm not going to be playing anything serious with it

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[The Inflicted]

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Well. those are interesting! Have you used any of the Revolver conversion kits?

I have. I've got his .50 caliber "Kaos" revolver. Unlike the other revolvers out there it shoots 285fps out the box, which is good because there's no easy method of adjustment. Finding quality paint that will shoot without breaking in the barrel is a challenge but that seems to be THE big issue with all .50 revolvers generally.

[acrewofone]

I have. I've got his .50 caliber "Kaos" revolver. Unlike the other revolvers out there it shoots 285fps out the box, which is good because there's no easy method of adjustment. Finding quality paint that will shoot without breaking in the barrel is a challenge but that seems to be THE big issue with all .50 revolvers generally.

If you can get Splatmatic Flying Colors Paintballs, just throw out the red ones, they seem to be the most troublesome and break in the marker. The Yellow, Blue and Purple work great in most .50 caliber revolvers, even the notoriously hard on paint Crosman 3357.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/144951060047?hash=item21bfc1a64f:g:bk0AAOSw3h9j8Mde&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA8IHtLFM1D%2FRoxmFimG1PNHZbzXaJ%2FDBBxyn1E7XCOA86CE%2FGwgJCviZ5W6DT3YTPxMWQuTHCK1S4oLoYzBB95I2Crpj5%2FFhcAThyo8elUmiVtHSsumGXLOCY4XCFQCHOGuRRvZVl%2Bv5id585EcWkcIk6mGkg6xRjOngdgdQt3YwH1yUxBvyJFwtvllx6%2BN5Zl3ei2n%2Ffb%2BjugJ1y0OBz29i2S1Xvl1nq%2Fbsy9vFyjC1%2BXKYzfKNKi3qsVrnfuUtTzmCA%2FdQE1ZPqhT2Gf%2BF75hHs7Y7umQ9WGLferKQYxEUgZjU9LKx6jlfMnYkJJ%2FuPDg%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_izlsfZYQ

http://www.weapons-universe.com/Bran...t-R50050.shtml

[The Inflicted]

If you can get Splatmatic Flying Colors Paintballs, just throw out the red ones, they seem to be the most troublesome and break in the marker. The Yellow, Blue and Purple work great in most .50 caliber revolvers, even the notoriously hard on paint Crosman 3357.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/144951060047?hash=item21bfc1a64f:g:bk0AAOSw3h9j8Mde&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA8IHtLFM1D%2FRoxmFimG1PNHZbzXaJ%2FDBBxyn1E7XCOA86CE%2FGwgJCviZ5W6DT3YTPxMWQuTHCK1S4oLoYzBB95I2Crpj5%2FFhcAThyo8elUmiVtHSsumGXLOCY4XCFQCHOGuRRvZVl%2Bv5id585EcWkcIk6mGkg6xRjOngdgdQt3YwH1yUxBvyJFwtvllx6%2BN5Zl3ei2n%2Ffb%2BjugJ1y0OBz29i2S1Xvl1nq%2Fbsy9vFyjC1%2BXKYzfKNKi3qsVrnfuUtTzmCA%2FdQE1ZPqhT2Gf%2BF75hHs7Y7umQ9WGLferKQYxEUgZjU9LKx6jlfMnYkJJ%2FuPDg%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_izlsfZYQ

http://www.weapons-universe.com/Bran...t-R50050.shtml

I've tried some of those with mixed results. They tend to run very big so I've tried "drying" small batches of them in baggies of dessicate material to shrink them.

[Shane-O]

My local field carries .50 cal paint for low inpact games. Is the newer stuff from Valken, Kee etc, brittle in general?

[Toestr]

Necro on this. What's the velocity like on the Roscoe? Some of the reviews I've seen say it comes with an extra valve piece but doesn't give a velocity.

[Trbo323]

Necro on this. What's the velocity like on the Roscoe? Some of the reviews I've seen say it comes with an extra valve piece but doesn't give a velocity.

If you don't get an answer on this in a week let me know. I'll have to see if I still have paint but I do have both the low and high velocity valves just not a lot of time to do testing right now

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[COB]

Okay here it goes! So, alot of you know I have wayyy too much equipment. I have just about or every 50 cal revolver. Some general notes.
50's do not have the range or hitting power of the 68 guns. Most paint breaks that I have had are cylinder to barrel alignment issues. Especially when rapid firing in double action.

1. Crosman 3357. When well serviced, this OG is very fun, but underpowered. It's a Crosman 357 pellet pistol with a factory 50 cal front and cylinder. My experience is that it fires most 50 paint well. You can get an occasional break, but usually and consistent revolver. Fires in single and double action. No velocity adjustment, or truly impactful upgrades. Shoots in the high 190's and low 200's. CO2 in grip with twist pierce. Parst for the engine are available, but cylinders and 3357 specific parts are hard to find.
2. Sellswords Kaos 3357 kit. A 3D printed kit and cylinders. Best fitted to the newer, black molded grip, 357 model. You need to alter the frame at the break open hinge to accommodate the 50 cal cylinder. Tighter tolerances and interesting design choices, make this better for field play than the OG 3357. Fires single or double action. Still no velocity adjuster, but 260+ fps consistent. CO2 in grip with twist pierce. STL file available for purchase. You can print any part you need. I have used Dual Kaos revolvers on the field and had great fun. No it's not like having a T8, but it is great fun for CQB type fields.
3. FS Roscoe. Visually amazing. Very heavy. Factory valve is low to mid 200's. You can buy the upgraded valve that bumps you to 260ish. Easy break open for cylinder change. Break open lever can be pushed accidentally when using a holster. Single and double action. Still no velocity adjustment. CO2 in grip with twist pierce. I have had issues finding paint to fit the barrel.
4. Umarex TR50. Designed as part of their training and self-defense line, shoots very hot out of the box. Great co2 efficiency. Double action only. No velocity adjustment from Umarex. But William the Third makes a great velocity adjuster, that replaces the valve block in the valve. This set up shoots 280's consistent for 18+ shots, then 260+ for additional 12+ shots. Yes it has a plastic clamshell. Yes no hammer. But $99 with 5 cylinders. Great velocity adjuster by WTT. Drop out CO2 in grip, with push to pierce cap. From the factory, the TR50 has a valve CO2 dump button to relieve pressure. Hand tighten the push cap. DO NOT over tighten. DO NOT try to remove push cap under pressure. And yes the cap knob is preferred to help unscrew the push cap. There are many aftermarket barrel, shroud, and air source options for the TR50.

[acrewofone]

Okay here it goes! So, alot of you know I have wayyy too much equipment. I have just about or every 50 cal revolver. Some general notes.
50's do not have the range or hitting power of the 68 guns. Most paint breaks that I have had are cylinder to barrel alignment issues. Especially when rapid firing in double action.

1. Crosman 3357. When well serviced, this OG is very fun, but underpowered. It's a Crosman 357 pellet pistol with a factory 50 cal front and cylinder. My experience is that it fires most 50 paint well. You can get an occasional break, but usually and consistent revolver. Fires in single and double action. No velocity adjustment, or truly impactful upgrades. Shoots in the high 190's and low 200's. CO2 in grip with twist pierce. Parst for the engine are available, but cylinders and 3357 specific parts are hard to find.

As I have rebuilt/restored over 100 - 3357s in the last 5 years, I have come up with several mods that will keep velocity around 250 ~ 260, ....and I might be the only person around that has 3357 specific parts in stock....