So I won this Autococker

[dzslozt]

I’ve been an Automag fan most of the time and don’t know much about Autocockers. What would it take to fully update this thing? It shoots good with no leaks. Doesn’t seem to have a ball detent as the first round rolls out if
you point the barrel downward.

[jokers]

It does have a ball detent but autocockers are closed bolt so they need a paint match on the barrel to keep the paint in, think freak or something like that.

[dzslozt]

I do have a Freak XL for my mag that will thread perfectly into this. So that problem is solved. Thanks! Learned something new today already.

[superman]

when you say fully update, what exactly are you referring to?

[superman]

The internals can be changed. lowertube and bolt.
The ram and 3 way can not be changed with out modification.
The lpr can be changed, i think some people were making adapters to do so.
regulator can be changed.
trigger frame can be changed, but may require an adjustable timing rod.

[dzslozt]

Good suggestions here. I'm do want to update the frame to a slotted one for a modern ASA. If I have to put in an adjustable timing rod, that's fine. Is that a drop in?
What benefits would be gained by moving to update the ram and 3 way? I don't mind modifying things as long as there's a benefit to be had.
Modern LPRs are nice. Not sure what works best on an Autococker. My personal favorite is the Micro Rock. Are there better options?

[superman]

short answer is in order to get those things. you would have to have the front of the body minied and the ram mount removed.
Then it would use mini front blocks and standard pneumatics etc.

[Hellion360]

If you want to keep it cheap these are a good barrel detent option.

https://www.mcarterbrown.com/forum/buy-sell-trade/dealers-forum/295003-autococker-barrel-detents

I personally prefer a fitted barrel kit, or freak inserts etc. But plenty of people just prefer these.


Updates could include a lot of things, but really they are pretty decent out of the box. New Barrel, Valve, Hammer, Respring, and Tune are the options I look at the most on these. Modifying for a clamping feedneck is really convenient too. None of these are necessary, but can certainly be nice.

[superman]

I am messing around with making some also, but printed.

[Hellion360]

I will look forward to trying them out.

[Jonnydread]

I’ve been an Automag fan most of the time and don’t know much about Autocockers. What would it take to fully update this thing? It shoots good with no leaks. Doesn’t seem to have a ball detent as the first round rolls out if
you point the barrel downward.

If it shoots good with no leaks just grab a tighter bore barrel and send it. You could do stuff like swap out the feedneck for a clamping one, change up the ASA, new trigger frame, etc., but as it sits that gun will shoot great with just rollout prevention.

[OpusX]

This is the correct answer. B-)

[glaman5266]

Yup. Revolutions fit these as-is & it doesn't need more than that anyway. WGP stuff is pretty much evergreen in my book.

[Cdn_Cuda]

An on/off asa are always nice.

[Ecapnation]

These were fairly modern for their time.....

Delrin bolt already in that model. And unless you're building a hot rod the lower tube is perfectly fine.

Me.....updates I'd do.

- externally adjustable hpr
- barrel kit
- on off asa

Anything more your better off getting a higher level non trilogy cocker

[Pumpytrilly1]

The stock ram is fine for mech and only a few styles fit.

Get a freak kit.

Get a feedneck shaved or use a revy

Palmer's made adjustable lprs that were externally adjustable. Tech t made adapter nuts to mount a regular lpr

maybe get a spring kit, but I think front spring is Spyder style and rear is cocker

Aftermarket hpr and asa

Maybe a different trigger

[coyote]

Trilogy is a pretty good shooter out of the box. Play with it a time or 3. If you feel it has any shortcomings then address them.

MCB is awash with guys (myself included) who will throw endless ideas for parts and mods your way. Almost all those options are purely subjective. Darn few "upgrades" are objectively better.

[Trbo323]

What would it take to fully update this thing? It shoots good with no leaks.

Sounds like it's up to date then

The feedneck is my biggest gripe with trilogies, that 1.5 finger frame is the second. But if you want to go replacing bits and bobs you are better off starting with a different autococker. The trilogies shot great but the parts are not all that interchangeable so you have to get into custom metalwork if you want to do stuff to them.

It's not going to feel as snappy as your mag. The balance might feel weird. I really like owning both though. It's a fun comparison because they are so different. I went waaaaaay down the road of building a cocker and spent somewhere in the ballpark of $1.5k BEFORE cocker prices went through the roof. Forced to choose though, I'm probably a mag guy now. I still believe Tom Kaye was way ahead of his time.

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[Magmoormaster]

The Trilogy Pro (like the one pictured) has a full 2 finger hinge frame.

[SignOfZeta]

I don’t get it. If it shoots why is everyone recommending you blow $500 on it?

WFT is “update” if it shoots? Does it need USB-C or something to be “current”?

A freeksert, a wedgit, something, and that’s it. The reg at an angle like that looks terrible but isn’t worth changing. It’s not my kind of gun at all but it seems basically perfect.

[superman]

yes you can by turning it into a mini and adding a front block and pneumatics.

[Ecapnation]

Sups' more trouble than it's worth

[~kaos~]

I don't get it either. Why buy a Trilogy and then machine and mod it so you end up with a stock WGP Mini Cocker?
This is like buying a Classic Mag and trying to turn it into an X-Mag or RT

[Magmoormaster]

There's a lot of bad information in this thread.

First off, what you CAN upgrade: Basically everything
-LPR (either Palmers Trilogy Rock or standard cocker LPR with TechT adapter)
-ram (not all rams fit)
-3-way (with adapter)
-valve (11/16 valve not standard cocker, but plenty of options available)
-bolt (2k+ length)
-triggerframe (you can get an adjustable timing rod but I've never needed it)
-HPR (any standard HPR, just needs to output to 300-350 PSI)
-ASA (any two screw ASA works, or use a rail)
-barrel (cocker thread)

What you CANNOT upgrade without custom machining:
-feedneck
-VASA

Now, what you SHOULD upgrade:
-barrel
-feedneck (get it machined to take empire spec necks, usually costs under $50)
-on/off ASA if you prefer
-MAYBE a different trigger, if you don't like the stock frame

Everything else is a waste of time and money. I've spent ~$600 on mine to prove it, upgrading almost every part on the gun. Most did nothing. As long as it functions, there's no use replacing things. I will add the caveat that trilogy springs always wear out really fast, so unless those have already been replaced expect to do that soon. Also, the stock LPR is usually set higher than it needs to be. I'd recommend dropping that a bit, it'll reduce kick.

Other than that, go have fun. I LOVE trilogies. Best cocker ever made, IMO.

[glaman5266]

Best post in this thread. Everything is spot-on.

[superman]

Should also add that lpr, 3way, ram can be done with custom milling too.

[appleguy]

This thread came at the perfect time as I just picked this up for cheap.
After reading through this thread, I'll just use some free dummy style fingers on the stock barrel and a Revvy for now!

[dzslozt]

Lots of great info here. Had it on the field to get some ideas. Hate the feed neck and want to upgrade it to a clamp style. Trigger is a little sloppy so need to adjust that. Would like it to cycle a little faster. Right now if I pull the trigger at about 10-12 bps it doesn’t keep up. Maybe I need more pressure from the tank??? Can’t seem to find what the input pressure should be on these so I’m experimenting. Accuracy is good and the consistency on the chronograph was decent (about a 5-10 fps variation).