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**Sheepdog** · 12-14-2023, 11:15 PM

Mildly used find.

**iamthelazerviking** · 12-14-2023, 11:20 PM

They run at a high operating pressure out of the the box, and seem pretty cheapie but with a few modifications they are good shooters. integrated 3 way is funky. If I recall, these were the last cockers ever released by WGP, although by that time it wasn't the original WGP owned by Bud Orr.

**Cdn_Cuda** · 12-14-2023, 11:29 PM

These are fine markers, just looked down upon by cocker purists for the integrated 3-way. These will take the new Dye Lazarus valves as well, so a good project platform.

**lhamilton1807** · 12-14-2023, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by iamthelazerviking View Post

They run at a high operating pressure out of the the box, and seem pretty cheapie but with a few modifications they are good shooters. integrated 3 way is funky. If I recall, these were the last cockers ever released by WGP, although by that time it wasn't the original WGP owned by Bud Orr.

The Trilogy competition (like the red/black one above) and the Trilogy Pro ran at ~300 psi with the stock valve since they had a HPR. The Sport and (I believe) the tactical versions ran at high pressure (800psi). These just had a gas-thru grip but could be upgraded with a standard regulator and a higher flowing valve pretty easily.

the stove pipe feed neck is also a sticking point with modern loaders - often people will have them machined to accept Eclipse or Empire style clamp-on feed necks.

**kevin qmto** · 12-15-2023, 12:02 AM

Originally posted by iamthelazerviking View Post

They run at a high operating pressure out of the the box, and seem pretty cheapie but with a few modifications they are good shooters. integrated 3 way is funky. If I recall, these were the last cockers ever released by WGP, although by that time it wasn't the original WGP owned by Bud Orr.

Sorry, some minor correcting needed here.

Only the Sport would have run at a higher pressure than the Comp or Pro as it did not have a regulator out of the box. They are indeed good shooters, I would even go as far as to say, great shooters. I don't know what you or anyone else in 16 years has mean by the 'funky' integrated 3-way. I've literally never had an issue with that part ever, and Bud Orr himself said that he thought that integrated 3-way was a brilliant idea and it was executed well. Bud also told me at Living Legends that this was the last project at WGP he personally worked on, it was indeed an in-house WGP project, though final manufacture was done in Taiwan, just like the Empire Resurrection is done today...
He also said that the integrated 3 way was his idea, and that they build the prototype for the trilogy in their shop, and from when they started machining parts, they had a functioning prototype in only 12 days.

These weren't the last cockers made by WGP. These first mechanical Trilogys came out in 2004, the Black Magic midblock was 2005, the Trilogy SF electro-pneucockers were 2007, and the Jeff Orr Signature series and SR were 2008, those were the final cockers.

**Magmoormaster** · 12-15-2023, 12:39 AM

kevin qmto that is brilliant info that even I didn't know!!

The prejudice against trilogies has more or less gone away. They are generally as very good guns for a good price. Certainly people tend to prefer "regular" cockers, but just for nostalgia. In my experience, Trilogies shoot as good if not better than any "regular" cocker. There are really only 2 downsides; the stock feedneck, which is not different from most cockers; and the stock springs wear out really fast.

**glaman5266** · 12-15-2023, 01:10 AM

The Trilogy is a fantastic cocker. They can shoot just as well as any other cocker, given proper tuning. One of the best cockers for the buck. In this current age of quick-strip spoolers & QoL improvements, the Trilogy is the closest cocker to that with the integrated front block.

Might raise some eyebrows with this, but even the Sport models were good IMO. No HPR to rebuild and you can beat the snot out of it without dinging up any shiny anno. I’ve had numerous Sports & none ever gave me trouble. I’d go as far as saying they’re the Tippmann of the cocker world.

**latches109** · 12-15-2023, 01:50 AM

I avoided them for a long time, thinking they were cheap and poorly made. I also disliked the long valve spring (for no good reason). Now having owned a few, they have grown on me. The Dye valve sorted out my long spring affliction, and with a lighter hammer and main spring, became a smooth shooter. I have not found the aluminum casting to have any issues. The integrated 3-way and with the 1.5 hinge frame is quite fast. I keep one as a loaner for new players.

**kevin qmto** · 12-15-2023, 02:20 AM

Originally posted by Magmoormaster View Post

kevin qmto that is brilliant info that even I didn't know!!

The prejudice against trilogies has more or less gone away. They are generally as very good guns for a good price. Certainly people tend to prefer "regular" cockers, but just for nostalgia. In my experience, Trilogies shoot as good if not better than any "regular" cocker. There are really only 2 downsides; the stock feedneck, which is not different from most cockers; and the stock springs wear out really fast.

I agree the prejudice has lessened over time, but echos are still abound lol. I keep a Tippmann SSL-200 loader around specifically because it fits trilogy's stock feedneck perfectly and it feeds up to 15bps, heck I even used it on my ebladed trilogy and it ripped just fine. Some older revys also fit well but they can't match the Tippy loader for speed. Most other loaders would need to be sanded to fit. Back in 2007 I sanded down my VLocity so it would fit my original Trilogy Tactical.

**NONOBLITUS** · 12-15-2023, 07:59 AM

Trilogy ❤️

**loveaboveall** · 12-15-2023, 08:55 AM

I remember echoing rumors from the past also making a hub bub about:
- Non USA made
- Lack of upgrades/customization

WGP made the trilogy which answered some problems: Cost of entry into the platform. Cockers have always been the most difficult to tune and maintain.
They missed the market. Then the Smart Parts ION came to fill the gap. And around the same price range.

These also came out in a time when it was about Speedball. Dynasty ruled the field, WDP Angels, WGP Karnivores and Orracles, and Bob Long Intimidators were the coolest thing around because they had eyes and shot "lazers"/"ropes".

*Disclaimer I never have owned any of the above. But I remember the culture.

I remember hanging out in the paintball shop, playing Greg Hastings on Xbox. I remember comparing bps on Planet Eclipse's E2 in practice mode.

**Sheepdog** · 12-15-2023, 11:56 AM

Awesome input all. Thanks so much. I have not done much with it yet, but i am quite happy with the feel of it in person. The person i bought it from said it had been sitting for quite a few years and was pretty dirty when it showed up. Before i broke it down to clean and re ring, i aired it up just to see if it would cycle, to my surprise, it cycled just fine. Maybe a little leaky though.... Cant wait to get some balls through it when i have time.

Much Love

Sheepdog

**The Inflicted** · 12-15-2023, 12:33 PM

I'm surprised more people haven't mentioned how miserable the "1-and-a-half-finger" trigger frames that came on the Sport and Comp models were.

Other than trying to give people an incentive to buy the more expensive "Pro" version of the Trilogy I can't imagine a good reason for WGP to have made those things.

**Magmoormaster** · 12-15-2023, 12:45 PM

Maybe it’s just because I had the 1.5 finger trigger first, but I’ve always preferred the feel of them compared to the 2 finger hinge.

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