Woodsball / Outlaw setup

[Snowpuff]

Dude go on amazon and type in hpa compressor ,I have the 12 volt one can hook up to a car battery

[Chuck E Ducky]

Sure a few times. 90% of the ones made are designed to last a few fills. Make sure you do your research before you drop money on one. Lots of them need serious mods to get any decent longevity out of them. Heat kills these things quick.

[Snowpuff]

True ik on my 3rd one but hey just buy on Amazon then when they break I do the good ol fashion switcha-roo , what is that you may ask well when one goes bad I buy another then switch it with the other and return it and every one is happy 😊

[Chuck E Ducky]

Actually not a bad idea, I like your style.

[Trbo323]

And yes he's set up for HPA, but 12 grams are a nice backup as well, especially for Nelson's. Could be the difference between calling it at noon, or playing until 4.

I think you are really underestimating the amount of air he can bring and how much play time that will give a group of players using Nelson's.

The bigger factor though

I would run 12s if I wasn't looking to play on BLM land.

Is that he doesn't want them.

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[JeeperCreeper]

Trbo, that still doesn't make what I said invalid. And yes I've played on a single Scuba tank before (which is what he said he currently has) and it can get used right up. You ever pop a burst disc, blow a macro line or a seal? Shit happens and Co2 is still a viable back up.

And if you read comments, you would see I already replied to that second quote. But you use tapatalk, so you only read half of what's been said.

[Trbo323]

Trbo, that still doesn't make what I said invalid. And yes I've played on a single Scuba tank before (which is what he said he currently has) and it can get used right up. You ever pop a burst disc, blow a macro line or a seal? Shit happens and Co2 is still a viable back up.

He is not asking for advise on a backup though and has already said he doesn't want 12g.

Of course I've had stuff happen, if I'm using a co2 tank in those situations though, my day is done, with the tank at least. If I have 12g I can move to that. Meanwhile if I have a scuba I can fix and fill and keep playing, I don't need to bring a whole second air source.

That rental fleet I ran, it was 14 semi autos off 5 subas and it ran for a week at a time. I think the lowest fill I got was 2500.

He would have to have a crap ton of nelsons running constantly to run out of air. If any of the tanks arrive with a fill, even partial that really helps as well.

He already has the scuba, I say go run it. No need to spend money on what ifs at this point when he doesn't even have a solid idea of how many people, and length of play it needs to support.

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[JeeperCreeper]

It doesn't matter if backups were asked about or not. It's merely a suggestion that maybe OP didn't consider. It's a forum, and you're going to get peoples opinions if you ask a question. I'm not sure why you're so against people sharing what might just be useful information. Just because it's not your opinion, it doesn't mean it doesn't hold any validity. People come and ask questions to get different views, pros and cons. And yea man I can read. I commented on his post about not wanting 12 grams, but you can't see it. So what? Other people might be reading this, trying to figure out if they want to get a scuba setup or not.

And 12 grams are pretty light, and take up very little space. They are also cheap, and will stay sealed if they are kept in proper conditions. Just because you wouldnt have a back-up, doesn't mean everyone shouldn't be prepared. Also at no point have I said to ditch the tank for 12 grams. I don't know why you're so against the suggestion.

[JeeperCreeper]

Any help or input would be greatly appreciated.

Trbo323 he says it right there. Any help or input.

[glaman5266]

I agree with the cascade method (2+ tanks, fill on 1st 'til it stops, top off w/the next). Seems like you get more out of your scubas that way.

I say run what you've got and/or add to it. It'll probably be cheaper than moving to co2 where you'd have to buy more stuff. HPA is also cheaper in the long run.

The biggest factor I can see is if you decide to run semi-autos. That will drain your scubas faster & you may need a portable compressor. If you have a compressor at home (or access to one) & you run Nelsons, you won't necessarily need a portable compressor.

[Grendel]

Cascading Scuba bottles is how we ran our outlaw field down here (before owner fell out of love for PB and fell in love with USPSA). We completely abandon CO2 outside of CO2 cartridges over 20 years ago and have not missed it. The other thing the helps keep people playing on the field is to play hopper ball. No Pods just what you can fit in your hopper. It slows down the shooting and promotes more movement. Really other then a players first couple of games there really wasn't much of any complaining.

[Snowpuff]

I lugged around scuba tanks then I bought a pos compressor from Amazon and I'll never look back, sure they blow up after 100 or so fills but like I mentioned the good ol switcharoo works every time

[Trbo323]

I lugged around scuba tanks then I bought a pos compressor from Amazon and I'll never look back, sure they blow up after 100 or so fills

This is what I've noticed as well. If you go the compressor route just don't expect it to last forever. Buddy of mine picked one up about 2 years ago, it's currently sitting unused basically because it needs work. It is fixable but it's one of those things where the cost of keeping it going really starts to add up.

Do you have anywhere around that can fill the scuba tanks? Or is filling then yourself the only option?

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[KMDPB]

They are super easy to rebuild, its almost always the second stage pistol rings. Just make sure you buy a new piston with rings on it (10 bucks) as getting rings over your original piston is almost impossible. We have been using the yong heng model extensively for almost 10 years and have only been through 2 compressors. The first one blew a crank case before they started adding vents. The second one has been going strong for years. It has probably filled 300 scuba tanks. Change the oil regularly and NEVER let them over heat

[Chappy]

Yeah mines only a year old and I haven’t filled THAT many tanks but it is going strong. I change the oil a LOT, I don’t let it get above 30C for very long and I don’t run it for more then 10 -15 minutes without a quick break to let the temp drop. I’m hopeful that keeps it around for a while. I remember when I researched them, when watching videos on YouTube, I thought it was obvious they struggled more when they ran long periods.
It is more than capable of keeping 10 people playing hopper all for an afternoon, as long as I have everything full when we start.

[KMDPB]

I've also noticed that even tho they can fill to 4500 they really struggle to do so. That's when we have burnt up rings. If you only do 3000 fills and keep em cool they will run for a long time

[Chappy]

Yeah I was gonna add that point and forgot. I typically only do 3000 psi. I have a 4500 and I will occasionally fill it to about 4000( really they are only good to about 4250 ish anyway) and when I do I stop at 3000 and let it cool quite a bit.
It takes me 2 minutes to fill a 13/3k, about 6 for a 48/3.
If I do add a scuba, I will surely take my time filling it

[SignOfZeta]

I lugged around scuba tanks then I bought a pos compressor from Amazon and I'll never look back, sure they blow up after 100 or so fills but like I mentioned the good ol switcharoo works every time

This guy is so proud. You’d think he just invented theft.

[Chuck E Ducky]

[Snowpuff]

Ahahah literally dieing reading this comment 🤣, but legit yes very proud