First AutoMag

[cellophane]

I tinkered around briefly with someone's Mag the last time I was at the field and now I kind of want one but have absolutely no idea where to begin. The little I know is that there are about 15 million different upgrades available, which doesn't help the situation. I'd like to keep the form factor as close to a more modern marker as I can- vertical feed, longer spacing between grip & foregrip if possible, standard ASA mount- but past that sky is the theoretical limit. Well that and budget. Not in a hurry to buy, just trying to get in some research and figure out where to begin.

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[Number six]

A ULE body will give you vertical feed and Autococker threads, but run about 120 and up, even used. A Doc's barrel adapter will give you 'Cocker threads on a stainless body for 40 bucks. An X-valve with a high input pressure yields light weight and a high rate of fire, but you're looking at 250 and up for the valve. I'd start with a 150 dollar complete Classic, Doc adapter, foregrip extender (there's some out there), and a 12v Revvy. A Level 10 bolt will eliminate chops, but I personally don't use one on a classic valve, because I haven't needed it. Between the ULE body and the X-valve, the Classic loses about 3 pounds, but they get spendy.

[cellophane]

Will they run on a 400-500 PSI tank? I don't currently have anything setup for more than that.

[MrKittyCatMeowFace]

You dont need a lvl 10 to prevent chops. Keep it simple and get a classic valve, lvl 7 and a different bolt is another way to go about it. Have fun and go wild with just customizing It cosmetically and make it your own.

[glaman5266]

Will they run on a 400-500 PSI tank? I don't currently have anything setup for more than that.

The conventional wisdom is that mags like high pressure. I would run a high pressure bottle straight to the valve (no foregrip regulator). X-valves and RT valves really rip if you get an adjustable bottle reg that can put out 1000+ psi.

That being said, I don't know for sure if you'll actually have issues with 400-500psi. Try it & find out? Can't really hurt it by doing so.

As for modern "upgrades", I concur with the above. A ULE body & X-Valve are where it's at, but they're pricey. The ULE body is more important of the two IMO. The Classic & Minimag valves are plenty good, as is the LV7 bolt. LV10 bolt is nice, but they require tweaking. So I agree with MrKittyCatMeowFace on this. I'd keep it simple & use it for a bit first & determine what you really want for it.

[Trbo323]

About a year and a half ago I was in the same spot you are. Scored an absolute steal on a x valve minimag and basically went about replacing everything except the x valve

That said here's what I ended up with



I do think the prices above are a little high. Here is where I would value the stuff on mine

X-valve (come with lvl 10 bolt) $200 used
Intelliframe -100 used
ULE body -$100 used
Luke's armada 9.1 rail with Anno $90ish new
Trigger $35 new, luke's
Vertical ASA RTpro $35 new (luke's)
Cp shorty forgrip (like $50 used, rare and expensive)
Cp asa and drop, $60ish

So like $650ish when is all said and done.... Expect I'm not done.... Because it's an amazing platform and I absolutely love it

I've heard mixed things on running them on lower pressure, just aim for high pressure and you can make life much easier

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[Trbo323]

Here are a few good starting points for you


$175 for the marker, I'd skip on the barrel

But it's a classic center feed body that's cocker threads. The only real down side is it doesn't have a threaded feedneck

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/topic?url=https://www.mcarterbrown.com/forum/buy-sell-trade/mechanical-semi-autos/44839-classic-mag&share_tid=44839&share_fid=31561&share_type=t&link_source=app

ULE mag with a ptp frame. I don't know much about the frame but being a double trigger is a good starting point.

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/topic?url=https://www.mcarterbrown.com/forum/buy-sell-trade/mechanical-semi-autos/48470-ule-automag-clasic-valve&share_tid=48470&share_fid=31561&share_type=t&link_source=app

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[Dusty Bottoms]

Will they run on a 400-500 PSI tank? I don't currently have anything setup for more than that.

No, it won't. Not remotely reliably anyways. The classic and RT/X-valve can cycle as low as 600-650, but the ideal starting point is 800-850psi tank pressure. If you have an old adjustable reg or Ninja SHP, you can really make the RT/X-valve sing with higher input pressure, but it's not necessary.

If you want a mag with the ergonomics of a modern marker, be prepared to spend the money unless you get lucky and stumble on a good deal. It's faaaar cheaper and easier to get an old powerfeed mag going.

[Alexndl]

As already mentionned you can start with a classic automag for $150 to $200 and upgrade some of the component or buy all the parta separately (superman have a pile of misc parts)

Front grip:
- front grip extension to use with a classic rail ($25)
- longer rail like Luke's or other (all depend your budget but around $100)

Body:
- ULE vert feed body ($100 - $125)
- vert feed body ($60 Superman have 1 I think) and Doc adaptor for cocker thread ($40 new from doc)

ULE or tac one body are really nice and are lighter option


Any idea of budget?

[un2xs]

Who was it that bought the bulk of the ?CCM? center feed cocker threaded fleet mags?

[cellophane]

- longer rail like Luke's or other (all depend your budget but around $100)

Body:
- ULE vert feed body ($100 - $125)

Any idea of budget?

Who is Luke?
Any good places to look for a body? Or is it pretty much BST lists & ebay?

No budget currently- just trying to get some info and start figuring it all out.

[Trbo323]

Who is Luke?
Any good places to look for a body? Or is it pretty much BST lists & ebay?

No budget currently- just trying to get some info and start figuring it all out.

http://lukescustoms.com/index.html

Enjoy

As for bodies, really cones down to your budget and what you want. If you are looking for a agd body, BSTs are probably the best. Private lable bodies, there are a handful of new ones out there still including luke's. If you can afford it I say start with a ULE body because any rail that works with a ULE chances are will also work with any aftermarket body as well.

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[M98punk]

Automags.org
much of the read up on mags on MCB is gone, AO is mostly dead but huge amounts of required reading. Also Tuna has Emag valves that’s a nice between of a classic and X valve

[Trbo323]

Yeah AO helped me out a lot. They still have a decent amount of traffic. If anything I think it's picking up with mechanical markers coming back into play

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[Alexndl]

Also check AGD website

My pic for this build would be
rail

http://www.airgundesigns.com/product-p/001168.htm

or luke

https://lukescustoms.com/rail.html

Body

http://www.airgundesigns.com/product-p/001880.htm

You can add Nummech feedneck amd use a lock feed

Frame lot of choice but I like this one

http://www.nummech.com/prod_item_nmagframesinglemech.html