Maybe this should have been in the AGD sub but figured it would get more of a discussion here.
Ok this is something I still haven't been able to find a clear answer on. I will preface this with I know there is a bit (read: large) debate on using a ULT vs RT on off to achieve RT but I think the general physics of my question should apply to both.
Obviously more pressure leads to more RT (and recharge does play a role there too) while shorter pins also lead to more RT. But my main question is do they both give the same trigger feel or is there a point to choose one over the other.
With both the ULT and RT on/off if you have a shorter pin length (or more shims in a ULT to achieve the same relationship) the trigger has to cycle less of a distance to shut the on/off and release the bolt, so conversely the pressure has to push it back less distance to reset. At the same time more pressure will push harder which, on paper, should be able to overcome the longer over lap length caused by the longer pin.
Basically I guess what I am really still trying to understand is if you control RT with pressure over pin length/shims do you get different characteristics in the trigger pull (more or less BPS, more or less risk of chuffing, more or less controllability, etc).
And a bit of a related question, has anyone noticed differences in characteristics with more or less post travel on a trigger after the shot? I have a trigger with stops and am wondering if having more slack after the shot should really cause notable changes to the trigger characteristics.
Of course the simple solution would be for me to just go out and try these configurations but my closest field is 45 mins away and my normal field is over an hour, and I don't get to play much so I would prefer to not waste a couple hours playing with things and reshimming a tank multiple times if I can at least get a better understanding form the cumulative knowledge around here.
For what it's worth I had my Vale set up with a ULT, 4 shims, and 975psi in and it was perfect after the rebuild, then all of a sudden it went crazy on me. Still havent gotten a chance to air it back up after dealing with all that and rebuilding the ULT (long story short I though the pin got bent which caused the issues but I likely some how bent the pin inspecting it) and then realized my tank reg was super dirty from a dirty tank so I may have actually had much higher output pressure than though... but it did still feel bouncier with a different tank at lower pressure so I am skeptical about the tank being an issue.
Maybe no one has really broken this down yet but I figure at least someone has oppinions on how the two adjustments can provide different characteristics.
Thanks
Ok this is something I still haven't been able to find a clear answer on. I will preface this with I know there is a bit (read: large) debate on using a ULT vs RT on off to achieve RT but I think the general physics of my question should apply to both.
Obviously more pressure leads to more RT (and recharge does play a role there too) while shorter pins also lead to more RT. But my main question is do they both give the same trigger feel or is there a point to choose one over the other.
With both the ULT and RT on/off if you have a shorter pin length (or more shims in a ULT to achieve the same relationship) the trigger has to cycle less of a distance to shut the on/off and release the bolt, so conversely the pressure has to push it back less distance to reset. At the same time more pressure will push harder which, on paper, should be able to overcome the longer over lap length caused by the longer pin.
Basically I guess what I am really still trying to understand is if you control RT with pressure over pin length/shims do you get different characteristics in the trigger pull (more or less BPS, more or less risk of chuffing, more or less controllability, etc).
And a bit of a related question, has anyone noticed differences in characteristics with more or less post travel on a trigger after the shot? I have a trigger with stops and am wondering if having more slack after the shot should really cause notable changes to the trigger characteristics.
Of course the simple solution would be for me to just go out and try these configurations but my closest field is 45 mins away and my normal field is over an hour, and I don't get to play much so I would prefer to not waste a couple hours playing with things and reshimming a tank multiple times if I can at least get a better understanding form the cumulative knowledge around here.
For what it's worth I had my Vale set up with a ULT, 4 shims, and 975psi in and it was perfect after the rebuild, then all of a sudden it went crazy on me. Still havent gotten a chance to air it back up after dealing with all that and rebuilding the ULT (long story short I though the pin got bent which caused the issues but I likely some how bent the pin inspecting it) and then realized my tank reg was super dirty from a dirty tank so I may have actually had much higher output pressure than though... but it did still feel bouncier with a different tank at lower pressure so I am skeptical about the tank being an issue.
Maybe no one has really broken this down yet but I figure at least someone has oppinions on how the two adjustments can provide different characteristics.
Thanks
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