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    Electronic Nitro Duck Autococker

    Here's a short video clip of my functional Electronic Nitro Duck Autococker. It's been a quite a journey to get this thing running again, and there is almost no info about how it works that's out there so here's a post with some details if anyone finds themselves trying to get one running again. Big shout out to my local shop Creative Pursuit Games and the community the have built that has helped me along the way.

    At the chrono video https://youtu.be/5Ppdb-CsB9c

    As far as know, based on a relayed conversation from Mark Davis (between him and Bud Orr) this is the first system to electrify an autococker. It uses two always off solenoids from Clippard (PN: CS-2271) that each require 1.2volts to operate at up to 100 psig.

    The solenoids are triggered via a microswitch (originally a cherry microswitch). The pins that hold the switch in place had been sheered off so I needed to replace it. These from ZF are a very close match ( https://switches-sensors.zf.com/prod...bminiature-dk/ ) I was able to find several very similar on ebay. When the switch is triggered both solenoids activate at once. This is to replace the function of the 3/4 way valve. If you happen to be setting one these up there is a trigger travel liming screw in the grip that must be set to ensure that you don't sheer off the pins that hold the switch in place from over pressing the trigger. ( It's probably clear that learned this the hard way) It is also worth noting that the switch needs to be wired up so that the circuit completes when the switch is closed. One wire to the common (green in the image) and one wire to the normally open pole on the switch.

    Since both solenoids need to actuate at the same time it needs at least 3volts. Batteries have come a long way since '98 and I ordered up a couple of 3.7v Lipos from amazon and used one of the charging USBs as a sacrifice for the connector.

    The front block's internal milling is such that it does not need the usual banjo bolt but whatever goes in place of the bajo bolt must accept an LPR. AKA makes a pre-2k volumizer that has a 1/8npt hex plug on the end which can be removed and any 1/8 npt LPR can then be screwed on the end. ( https://akapaintball.com/products/cl...mitemax-nickel )

    The last "special" part is a tee hose barb for the LPR ( https://www.fittings.space/hb33m-02-u03x32m-02 )

    I am sure I've missed some details, reach out and I will update this post.

    Enjoy!

    #2
    That’s very cool , I’ve never heard or have ever seen one of these. Looks like some serious work right there.

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      #3
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      • Socalpumpballer
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        Pretty sure he owns one

      • BreakfastB33rs
        BreakfastB33rs commented
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        Yeah, his video was one of the main references. But does it function?

      #4
      I recall these being advertised in APG, but have never seen one work. Very cool piece.
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        #5
        This is glorious. What’s the trigger pull like?

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        • BreakfastB33rs
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          As far as slider triggers go, its not mind blowing, but I still need to break the springs in. It is definitely a short pull for a slider trigger though.

        #6
        I've got one of these frames. I have mine on a sheridan right now not really serving the purpose it was built for. Cool to see the whole picture!
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        • BreakfastB33rs
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          Have you got the front block as well?

        #7
        Very cool
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          #8
          It's cooler in person, can't lie. days later I'm still scratching my head over why exactly they went electronic here given the sear is still mechanical, but it's a sweet piece of history. Shot is maybe a hair smoother than a normal cocker of the same era?

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          • BreakfastB33rs
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            Thanks! Definitely a lot of effort only to eliminate the mechanical 3 way valve, oh well. I've messed with the timing a bit since the weekend and think it can get a much better rate of fire now.

          #9
          Very cool haven't seen one of those in person since PMS at the shop at EMR I have parts of some but never came across a complete one in recent time.

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            #10
            Bucket list cocker right there.

            Is the electronics just for the actuation of the ram?
            Do yo still have the trigger mechanically drop the hammer?
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            • BreakfastB33rs
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              Yes, the switch and the solenoids just control the ram / replace the 3-way. Still has a mechanical sear and hammer.

            #11
            Dope!

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              #12
              I swear I saw this on CL or something. It looks familiar.

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              • BreakfastB33rs
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                On CL in the SF Bay Area back in '00, maybe?

              #13
              If i remember correctly, these were via the mind of Mark Davis.. you can find him on FB under mack davis hand engraving

              he's still big in the PB world. drop him a line

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              • BreakfastB33rs
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                He's definitely worked on at least one in the past, but he didn't own up to creating it when we chatted on the phone.

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                couldn't quite remember, so thank you for confirming that!
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