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    Nova Guardian Regulator

    My much anticipated Guardian regulator arrived Thursday, and luckily today I was finally able to really dig into it!

    Hilariously, it arrived in "Bong Configuration" with the 1/8" NPT Swivel installed upside down. It did not come with a macro fitting, but it would have been wasted on me if it did since I strongly prefer steel braided gas lines. It did come with a small baggie of replacement seals if needed.
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    Disassembly was an absolute breeze, the bottom cap unscrewed with minimal effort and zero tools so that was a huge plus. Lube was a hair light, but definitely present in sufficient amounts to function. Here is a peak at the guts, there is a thick "o" ring in the center silver piece that is held in place by the spring. There is also a seal on the tip of the piston inside the washer stack.



    Pressure is adjust via the threaded piece in the bottom. Unscrew to increase pressure, screw in to decrease pressure.
    Like Nova's other regulators, there is a 10-32 set screw running through the center of the pressure adjuster to find tune your PSI. It's a nice feature to have since using the larger threaded piece can lead to some pretty big pressure swings if you aren't careful. If the 10-32 set screw isn't engaged though, it CAN fall out. I would recommend throwing a dab of blue loctite on it just to make sure it stays were it's supposed to.

    Now for the meat and potatoes, I figured this would give a pretty solid ball park of how consistent each reg was.

    I used a fresh bag of HK Army Level 3 paint (approximately 0.675). The test gun was my Vaporworks Gen 1 Defiant with a 12" freak barrel with a 0.679. Tank was a 68/4500 with 950 psi output.
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    nobbie333 graciously loaned me his fancy Garmin Chronograph that records all the shots and sends the data to your phone. Hands down the best chrono I've ever used, it gave some really accurate readings. (sadly, it couldn't catch all the shots while ramping at 13 BPS, but there was no noticable shoot down with any of the regulators tested.)

    I changed absolutely nothing on the gun except swapping out the HPRs. I used a gauge to set the pressure to around 230 psi before installing each reg. Each reg got 75 shots.

    Here are the results:

    Empire Regulator (CP Gen 1 Clone)
    Spread: 23.9
    Standard Deviation: 4.9

    Palmers Fatty Stabilizer
    Spread: 19.6
    Standard Deviation: 4.4

    Nova Guardian
    Spread: 18.6
    Standard Deviation 4.4

    On a hunch, I disassembled the guardian, cleaned the factory lube off, re-lubed it with good old Super lube, and re-ran it.

    Super Lube Nova Guardian
    Spread: 18.3
    Standard Deviation 4.3

    So there you have it. I am extremely pleased with these results. I think most people kinda figured that the fatty stabilizer was more consistent then a CP clone, but the Guardian matching it straight from the factory, and then actually beating it when lubed properly is impressive.

    So my initial impressions of this reg are extremely good. It is less expensive then a Palmers Fatty Stabilizer, doesn't have the silly side air in let, has better performance, and has far easier maintenance then just about any other regulator I've worked on. It has been left on my Defiant as a result, and should hopefully see quite a bit of field time in the near future. I'll update this if there are any wear issues or if it becomes less consistent over time, but I'm not anticipating any problems.

    Last edited by Myrkul; 02-25-2024, 06:17 PM.

    #2
    very nice write-up! looks like a very simple design to clean and maintain!
    MSRP on these is 79.99 for those wondering!

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    • Myrkul

      Myrkul

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      Thank you!

      And yes, maintenance is an absolute breeze on this thing. It took me less then 5 minutes to pull it apart and swap the lube on it. You don't even need an "o" ring pick.

    #3
    Thanks for the review! I need to put in an order to Nova but I’m pretty tempted to get some additional goodies from them.
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    • Myrkul

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      I already have the local Pro-shop ordering a few more of these for me. I bet if we buy enough of them they might start having different color options or maybe a even gloss finish...
      Last edited by Myrkul; 02-25-2024, 06:18 PM.

    #4
    If I only the adjustment range was higher
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    • Myrkul

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      So about that. Chris on Facebook has confirmed that they work at just about any pressure range. When I had a gauge on it, I wanted to see what would happen "for science" if I turned it way up. Held a nice constant pressure right up to 700 psi (as high as my gauge would go) with zero creeping. No idea if it looses any of its phenomenal consistency at the higher pressure ranges or if its bad for the seals and springs, but according to the gauge I had it was fine. Hopefully Apaches can chime in with a definitive answer for us here.

    • iamthelazerviking
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      Myrkul oh nice that's good to know

    #5
    Counter point - The swivel isn't upside down if you use a 90* fitting 🤔

    Does it use any odd orings or seals or are they off the shelf parts?

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      #6
      Originally posted by Hobbes View Post
      Counter point - The swivel isn't upside down if you use a 90* fitting 🤔

      Does it use any odd orings or seals or are they off the shelf parts?


      All the "o" rings are standard sizes, the springs didn't look unusual but I have no idea if they are "standard" or not.

      The flat seal on the tip of the valve piston looks to be just stamped rubber. That would be the one proprietary seal in this, but its literally just a flat stamped circle, so no issues on that front.
      Last edited by Myrkul; 02-26-2024, 12:27 AM.

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        #7
        nice review and glad to hear its a good reg so far.
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        • Myrkul

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          I'm super pumped about this. Especially since Custom Products has gone awol, and with the situation at Palmers, it's nice to see there are still some options out there for new aftermarket regs, and it's especially nice to see that it's an original design with great performance, not just a clone of an existing regulator.

        #8
        how fast were you shooting?

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          #9
          Originally posted by latches109 View Post
          how fast were you shooting?


          About 0.5 BPS for the chrono to read it. I did throw it in 13 BPS ramping for a bit but the chrono had trouble catching the shots at that rate of fire, so no data unfortunately. Just eyeballing it though, there was no shoot down or recharge issues at high rates of fire and consistency seemed about the same.
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            #10
            This is awesome. Thanks for the data, happy to see it perform well and damn does it look good on the defiant. Might have to pick one up soon.
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              #11
              Seems like all these new regs look the same, what's the weight on it like ima guess it's pretty light, I just know some regs can weigh a ton and feel bulky on a marker

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              • Myrkul

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                It's actually got a really nice density to it. It's light, but super solid feeling and not "light light". If I had to guess I'd actually say a hair heavier then a CP. I don't have a scale at the moment though. Doesn't feel bulky or make the gun feel front heavy at all, it's quite comfortable. Then again I'll still occasionally run a shoebox shocker so I'm REALLY not the person to ask if something is heavy or not.

              • Psycho91

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                I remember my old shoebox I ran with a halo and had to use a 3k tank cause mine was dead one day and ill never do that again talk about heavy and a gas hog but it was fun to use, only ran it half a day and busted out my trracer lol

              #12
              The only thing that looks better then the Nova reg on the Defiant?

              A GLOSS Nova reg on the Defiant. Gloss is now available on Nova's website for slightly more.

              Last edited by Myrkul; 03-30-2024, 11:21 PM.

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                #13
                I kinda want one, but don't exactly need lol. Have an Ergo reg with fresh rebuild in a sniper build so that should be plenty, right? Right??
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                • iamthelazerviking
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                  Myrkul I definitely want one, but picky on the finish. Dust black is sold out sadly.

                • Myrkul

                  Myrkul

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                  TJ said on Facebook they should be back in stock in a week or so, dust is at the anodizer currently.

                • iamthelazerviking
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                  Yeppp that was me who asked, will be keeping a close eye on the site!

                #14
                Update:

                I spent some time on the phone last week with TJ talking about their regs (and getting a few parts from them) and he has confirmed that there has already been a major update to the guardian regulators.

                The spring stacks have now OFFICIALLY been updated to work from 0-700 psi. He sent me a new spring stack free of charge as well.

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                  #15
                  November update:

                  Kind of an odd update I wasn't expecting to have to make.

                  The new spring stack performed extremely poorly for me.

                  I threw it into the guardian regulator on my desert fox, since I figured that was technically "higher pressure" so the new springs should be optimized for it. I just flat out could not get it working at all. It "kinda sorta" worked in the sub 400 PSI range, but had a REALLY bad habit of dumping tank full tank pressure into the marker. Over 400 PSI output and it refused to work it all, it was just straight tank pressure.

                  After hours of very frustrated tinkering, I put the original spring stack back in the regulator, and all issues vanished.

                  Currently running the regulator with the original "low pressure" spring stack @ 460 PSI output and it doesn't dump tank pressure, doesn't creep or spike, and I'm having zero shoot down with it on the fox either.

                  I've messaged Nova about the issue but have yet to hear a reply.

                  If you have the original gen 1 springs definitely hang onto them and I would recommend using those.

                  If you have the "updated" springs or have purchased either their cocker pump or sentinel Autococker, I suspect that they are all using the updated spring stack. I would contact Nova and see if you can get the old style spring stack, they likely still have some laying around, and the "updated" ones, at least the ones I received, just flat out don't work.

                  You can tell what generation spring stack you have by the color. The original good ones are a dark grey/almost black. The "updated" ones are silver.

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