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    Rt Noob question

    Was curious about what makes an Automag a RT? Is it all in the valve? For instance if the mag has a Retro or X-valve does this make it an RT? Or are there other parts needed to operate like that?
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    #2
    All valves except the classic valve (and it's variations like the Minimag valve) are RT, but the amount of reactivity is largely controlled by input pressure and the on/off installed in the valve. So like an X-valve, Retro valve, or E-mag valve all have an RT effect.

    Now sometimes you will see things like "This rail fits all mags but the RT" and when they say that they mean that it won't fit an original Automag RT, which has alot of weird parts, like a stainless steel hardline, a gas manifold with a bunch of 1/8" NPT ports, etc. So when people talk about RT in relation to the automag they are usually referring to the action of the trigger but sometimes they are talking about the marker AGD made called the Automag RT.

    What is worth noting is at a lower input pressure, or messing around with things like the ULT trigger the RT effect in the trigger can be made very small. My E-mag was totally tournament legal in mechanical or electronic modes, it didn't have close to enough reactivity to go full auto, but if I were to crank it up to 1200 PSI then I would have the effect quite strongly.

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    • Hobbes

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      Well that was a damn good answer.

    #3
    The classic rt is a different beast in itself and generally does not fit the norm.

    If you have a mag that has a classic valve, it can be swapped for an rt valve or x valve. RT'ing is the result of a few things. Tank output pressure, recharge rate, how broken in the orings are and on/off pin length.

    If you want to rt reliably you will want to avoid the ult. ult's can rt but generally it is less consistent and stuffed full of shims. I am sure someone will disagree with me on this, but either way.

    Tank output pressure/recharge rate. I found that some tank regs recharge significantly faster than others and can rt at the same rate as other tanks at a much lower pressure.

    RT pin length. I generally tell people to stay between .750 and .740 pins. Once you start getting shorter things get almost too fast.

    orings. If you are tuning your mag to rt before the orings break in It will get faster and may require more adjustment. i normally tell people to shoot multiple cases at the minimum before they start messing with stuff.
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    • Spider!

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      I have (maybe had at this point) a ult x-valved minimag that bounces about 12bps on 900 psi, very consistently. All of it was well worn in when I acquired the pieces, so once it was all together and working I try not to touch anything if I can avoid it. One of my favorites.

    • superman

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      I was speaking generally across the board. It can be done, but is not the norm and generally not for someone that is asking how to get mags to rt.
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