anyone wanna pump a mag

[shrompman420]

so i wanna do a pump mag, (talk me out of it) , I have a classic 68 valve and some extra rails, where do i start? i know i need to have a mill do the rail for the pump arm, what else should i be looking at need/doing i figrue single trigger, is there one that works best/ wont work? what are my pitfalls? how difficult (even with the help of MCB) is this? any advice or help is gladly accepted. thanks in advance
John (dirty pickel puncher) Griffin

[Alexndl]

The harder step would be to buy a pump kit
they are quite rare or really expensive

As for mods, the rail need to be milled and the body also if its not already a factory milled body

[nak81783]

Do you have other pumps? Have you played pump before?

I had a pump Mag and didn't care for it. It just felt wrong - a little bent rod pushing the bolt back the final bit against the wave spring.

I much more preferred my Empire Sniper. If I got back into pump, I would either try to find an Empire Sniper (maybe add an Inception Designs hammer) or buy an Azodin KPC+ (on sale now for $250 at ANSGear). I'd mill the front .300"-ish off the KPC+ body, which lets the bolt push the ball into the barrel before firing rather than shooting the ball into the barrel, causing lots of barrel breaks. I might analyze that .300" a little bit more than I did for my KD3, so as to optimize use of RedLeaderSB's closed bolt detents with the KPC+. I'd also make some sort of hitman plate for the KPC+.

[Grendel]

Things you need and kind of in order:

1. Pump Kit (without one its a non-starter)
2. Pump milled body either already done or commission the work
3. Pump Milled Rail either already done or commission the work
4. Wavy Springs to interrupt bolt latching on sear
5. Trigger Frame with guts
6. Valve and Bolt assembly Level 7 or X Valve

If you have all of these you can just assemble the pump mag, not real hard it is getting all the parts that are the problem. Just in case so you know a Mag is better as a Semi-Automatic then a Pump. A pump mag is a semi-automatic with a problem that is consistent and you have to manually set the bolt in the sear.

[shrompman420]

ok so this is labor of love, yes have played pump this is to have something diffrent and test william and my skill (to at least find the parts and get the mill work done) and just tinker.
1 can i use a cocker kit?
2 will have body milled (any recomendations?
3 see above
4 what works? i have seen these what works?
5 can buy at will is there something that wont work?
6 68 classic valve compete with lvl 10 if needed
yes i know its a pain but its just cool

[Pyrate Jim]

I run a stock class mag. It's far and away the smoothest pump I've ever used. But I took a tournament racehorse and cut three of its legs off.
The first leg was the pump, taking away any ROF.
The second leg removed the hopper, limiting the ammo.
Third leg was air input, restricted to a single 12g.

A bit extreme, you don't have to go that far. A pump conversion needs a milled body & rail, plus the pump kit with wave spring & bumper. The last still available in aftermarket kits.
Looking around, I would say the milled rail to be the most difficult to obtain.

As a long time pump player I will say that a properly set up pump mag is the Rolls Royce of pumps.

[shrompman420]

I run a stock class mag. It's far and away the smoothest pump I've ever used. But I took a tournament racehorse and cut three of its legs off.
The first leg was the pump, taking away any ROF.
The second leg removed the hopper, limiting the ammo.
Third leg was air input, restricted to a single 12g.

A bit extreme, you don't have to go that far. A pump conversion needs a milled body & rail, plus the pump kit with wave spring & bumper. The last still available in aftermarket kits.
Looking around, I would say the milled rail to be the most difficult to obtain.

As a long time pump player I will say that a properly set up pump mag is the Rolls Royce of pumps.

i like this guy

[shrompman420]

i was thinking 48/4500 and a small hopper

[Pyrate Jim]

ok so this is labor of love, yes have played pump this is to have something diffrent and test william and my skill (to at least find the parts and get the mill work done) and just tinker.
1 can i use a cocker kit?
2 will have body milled (any recomendations?
3 see above
4 what works? i have seen these what works?
5 can buy at will is there something that wont work?
6 68 classic valve compete with lvl 10 if needed
yes i know its a pain but its just cool

1) No. different formats.
2&3) I did one of mine myself. Not the big hole like AGD, just a slot.
4) It's a simple system. The right parts make it work, and a little experience putting the parts together.
5) You can buy all the parts, or complete & functional. They do come up for sale if you're patient.
6) Go with the classic, the pump was designed to work with that. The lvl 10 is for high ROF that you don't get with a pump.

[Hobbes]

I like my pump mag. I think people make too big of a deal out of the pump kits. Someone was making some 3D printed ones that get the job done. I also made my own using an old 'cocker pump kit into a mag vertical ASA. One of the nice things about pump mags is that you don't need to worry about sizing inserts or barrel backs.

From what I've seen it's fairly easy to get a pump milled body, but seems a lot harder to get the pump milled rail. I haven't tried to modify one myself.

[$L!mBo]

Magageddon

[shrompman420]

ok so i have to find a "mag" pump kit casue that has the pump arm sear thingy and a wave spring for the bolt but trigger frame should be standard

[Cal440]

I will be following, hopefully to build one myself.

[shrompman420]

I will be following, hopefully to build one myself.

awesome i will try to post some pics

[nak81783]

Tried to talk you out of it at your request. If you're proceeding forward, best of luck, and I hope you like it. I think I've got some leftover wave springs I can mail to you. When you get to that point, if you want them, PM me your address.

I believe I 3D printed and bought the parts linked here

https://www.mcarterbrown.com/forum/paintball-news-aa/the-armory/air-gun-designs/169329-automag-ppk-printed-pump-kit

I believe I got lucky, and the Classic Mag I had at the time had a pump milled body. I either had to buy, trade for, or machine the rail; I can't remember.

Here's a picture of mine. Although I didn't care for it, it did turn me on to pump for a while. I got the Empire Sniper and tried a cram-n-jam with 10 round tubes and 15- and 17/4500 tanks. I preferred the 15/4500. The 17/4500 was just a bit too long. I did enjoy the light setup with the 10 round tubes and 15/4500. I just didn't get enough opportunity to use it, and crappy paint made it a bit frustrating when I did use it (one at set velocity, next low velocity, one curved right, one curved left, etc.).