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  • JonM
    MCB Member
    • Jul 2020
    • 1325
    • Landisburg, PA

    #1

    On/Off Issues

    I have a classic Mag that I'm racking my brain to figure out. It started out when I decided to dust off the marker and give it a good once over to fix any issues it may have in the hopes that I may use it again this year. While I fixed the few leaks it had in the air fittings, I also discovered why I put it away in the first place a couple years back. While all of the seals appear fine (it was freshly rebuilt not long before putting it away), the gun would chuff every other shot. So, I checked the sear spacing and freshly oiled all of the seals in the valve. Now I seem to have made the problem worse to where the on/off pin won't even engage the sear anymore. I've checked and double checked the on/off assembly to make sure it's all back together in the right order, but I can't get anywhere. What could be the issue here?
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  • Secretweaponevan
    Rockin and Cockin
    • Jul 2020
    • 42

    #2
    Upload pictures of everything. Top of my mind would be missing rail bushing, which would interfere with the on/off pin interfacing the back of the sear, and perhaps you are using a low pressure tank. Mags require ~800 psi to function correctly.
    Again, a picture is worth a thousand words.

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    • dano_____
      Tinker Tinker
      • Jul 2020
      • 316

      #3
      A thing to try is raise the velocity up higher and see if it isn't just chuffing due to running too low of pressure. You could also have an out of spec/damaged top Teflon oring causing the pin to stick. Also make sure the airtanks pin is being depressed fully and not starving the gun. Some of the newer ball sealed tank valves don't open far enough with some asas to feed enough air for reliable shooting. As mentioned some pictures of your rail setup, on/off assembly and the inside of the valve can help.

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      • JonM
        MCB Member
        • Jul 2020
        • 1325
        • Landisburg, PA

        #4
        I was able to get the on/off to engage again. Although, it's still having recharge issues. The problem with the on/off not engaging the sear was actually my own dumb fault for adding too much oil and causing a blockage at the reg seat.
        My Feedback Thread

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        • Myrkul
          2026 ICD Sponsored Team
          • Jul 2020
          • 926
          • Jaegers

          #5
          Last time I had this issue it was an alignment issue with the tired old mismatched valve not sitting on the rail correctly. I wish I had a fix, but I ended up just getting a new valve from bacci and swapping all the parts and seals over and it fixed it immediately.

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          • JonM
            JonM commented
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            It's not an alignment issue in this case. These parts have worked together before. I've already got the on/off issue fixed. I'm just trying to get the whole starvation issue situated now. I know it's getting enough pressure from the tank, so I'm thinking it's got to be something with the back half of the reg.

          • Myrkul
            Myrkul commented
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            JonM do the holes line up perfectly in the AIR? I believe the classic Valve's only have one hole, and it needs to be lined up.
        • Jordan
          I. Am. Canadian. 🇨🇦
          • Jul 2020
          • 3508
          • Southern Ontario, Canada

          #6
          Is the brass hat (on-off top) in upside down?

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          • JonM
            JonM commented
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            Nope. I even tried it both ways to be sure. Mine is the symmetrical version without the cutouts on one side.
        • Secretweaponevan
          Rockin and Cockin
          • Jul 2020
          • 42

          #7
          Are you sure you're using a High Pressure, 800 psi, HPA tank?

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          • JonM
            JonM commented
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            Yep. I tested it with a shimmed Ninja reg.
        • Number six
          (just a number)
          • Nov 2020
          • 297
          • Altus, OK (I'd never heard of it, either)

          #8
          Sounds like the problem lies in the back half of the valve (or between the tank and the back half). The on/off isn't enough getting air, if it won't reset.

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          • Brokeass_baller
            Pick it up!
            • Jul 2020
            • 1129
            • Ohio

            #9
            Post up some pictures
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            • JonM
              JonM commented
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              I’ve used up all of my air rebuilding my Cocker. I’ve pretty much sidelined this project until the mood strikes me again. Thanks though.
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