Best Pre-98 Trigger Plate & Roller Sear?

[JonM]

Apparently I'm not able to leave well enough alone with this Bob Long Cocker project. Now that I have the big upgrades completed, I'm looking to make some smaller updates to make it even better.

This brings me to the various trigger plates and roller sears out there for pre-98 frames. What can I find out there these days that's any good, removes side to side slop and provides a nice smooth trigger pull? Specifically, this is for the Benchmark style Bob Long frames.

[Cunha]

Akalmp plates

ans plates

belsales sear

“Wgp” roller sear

or akalmp standard sear

[JonM]

Perfect. I wasn't aware that the AKA plates were still available. Thanks for the advice.

[gabe]

Do these work well in single hole pot metal grip frames and do they offer any advantage? Got a sleeper build that could use some AKA plates...

[Kroniccocker]

I can't speak on whether they work on pot metal frames but i will say the aka plates are slightly wider than most plates to eliminate side to side slop. I have ran them in some ans frames and benchmark frames with great luck.

[Magmoormaster]

AKA or ANS plates are definitely the way to go, just know that AKA will require you to polish them. Once done, they are better (IMO) than ANS, but ANS is less of a hassle. You'd probably have a harder time finding an ANS plate, since AKA plates are available new. I have not tried using them in a single hole frame, but I'd imagine they'd work.

As for sears, there are definitely ones that work better than others. Belsales are by far the best, but are by far the most expensive as well. Freeflow sears are ok, but they seem to be a little hit or miss. I ordered 2, and one was noticeably smoother than the other. Either way, you'll want to polish the end that catches the lug, as they don't come polished. The New Designz sear is pretty good, I have one in my Trilogy and it's held up very well. The WGP ones are basically the same. The ones you want to avoid are the Psychoballistics ones. They have a unique shape that makes them easy to avoid. The Nummech ones suck too.

[JonM]

Good to know about polishing the AKA sears. I ordered one of those along with a WGP roller sear. I have a bench polisher in my shop downstairs if I need it.

[2cBillB]

Very curious how this turns out. Please let us know.

[Super69ur]

AKA plate with FreeFlow sear is the best combo readily available. Quality springs are important. FreeFlow makes good ones.

Ultimate build? AKA plate with Belsales sear. MaddMan springs. (Good luck)

sears to stay away from: Nummech, and the new Shocktech. The new Shocktech is only useful if the geometries of your frame require it to fit. (Very few scenarios where this is the case)

For a Bob Long humpback with the side glide screws, an AKA plate won’t allow you to utilize them. Any well-machined and polished plate will do, as the side glide screws eliminate the slop side-to-side regardless of how thin the plate it.

[JonM]

The AKA plate arrived today. I'm still waiting for the roller sear to arrive. However, I was able to get the plate polished and installed this afternoon. When the plate arrived, it was a bit sticky with some residue on it. Based on the discoloration of the plastic bag it came in, I assume it must have been a grease or oil to prevent corrosion. I was able to remove this sticky film with a little rubbing alcohol. Once that was done, I didn't see or feel any mill marks on any of the friction surfaces, so I skipped the sanding and went right into polishing on the wheel with some red compound followed by some light hand polishing with a cloth. Even without the roller sear installed yet, I can tell already that the trigger pull is greatly improved with no side to side slop and a nice crisp pull. The only sacrifice I had to make with this plate was that I had to remove the safety I just recently installed since there isn't any way to insert one with this design. No big loss though. Since you can't see the roller sear anyway, I figured I'd post a final photo of this build. I'm loving how this thing turned out.

[2cBillB]

Looks amazing. I'm glad it turned out well for you! I sent a message to Jared at AKA about the thickness of these plates and his response was "trigger plates are measuring .163 wide."

I'm using a composite frame and I'm considering a pot metal. This would be a very tight squeeze but I think I might go for it.



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[Super69ur]

Looks amazing. I'm glad it turned out well for you! I sent a message to Jared at AKA about the thickness of these plates and his response was "trigger plates are measuring .163 wide."

I'm using a composite frame and I'm considering a pot metal. This would be a very tight squeeze but I think I might go for it.



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You can always polish the sides on a flat planer surface to thin the plate down to the point where it PERFECTLY fits.

[2cBillB]

You're right! It should be very close so even if it's a little too big it won't be too bad getting it down to size. Thanks for the tip.

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[JonM]

The roller sear arrived today and I have it installed now. Holy crap! Between the new plate and roller sear, the feel between the old setup and new is like night & day. I did have to adjust the lug a bit to get it to catch, but that's not surprising. Once I got it dialed in, I gassed it up and cycled it a few times. At first I thought I had the gun timed incorrectly before I realized that it was in fact working correctly. The damn thing just doesn't have any friction to it now, it seems. Once I can get some more air, I'll probably be able to tighten up the timing some more since it's setup pretty conservatively right now. Once I do, I expect this thing will be a real beast on the field. I can honestly say I've never shot a smoother, more responsive Autococker in all my life. I can't wait to really get this gun really dialed in and ready for play.

[Magmoormaster]

Yaaaas!!!

Roller sears make such a huge difference on a 45 frame it's crazy to me that people don't use them. Once you get used to them, everything else just feels like garbage.