Roller sear and trigger?

[lew]

I just got a Benchmark double trigger slide frame because it looks cool and I don't have an example of that type of frame yet. I'm assuming the answer is yes, but is a roller sear- and, more importantly- a roller trigger going to be of considerable benefit with this frame?

Anyone have experience with Nummech's Telos roller trigger and sear? Any others you'd recommend?

[latches109]

AKA trigger plate for the win! Freeflow is making their roller sear v3, its nice - a polished stock sear works great too. I had nothing but problems with the telos plate.

[Jonnydread]

That's a bummer to hear, I've been curious about the Telos myself

[Chuck E Ducky]

What kid of problems did you have with the Telos roller trigger and sear? I'm curious if the trigger and sear is part of my issue I'm having on my KCPS Scout. I'm running this trigger and sear in a works frame. I have a HP Valve and spring combo coming from palmers that is supposed to be the best for unregulated Co2. I'm curious if its due to the tigger and sear setup. It feels butter smooth but maybe the spec is out of whack. It wasn't a cheap plate and sear and seems well built. I figured it's going on a detected stock class pump so it won't get the abuse of a semi. I'm going to try the stock works sear and trigger plate see if that solves my issue.

[lew]

Definitely a bummer, but I already have a stock set that's quite smooth. A little extra polishing- if required- I can handle.

[Magmoormaster]

Yeah, the Telos sear is not great. The plating or finish or whatever it is that makes it gold (and supposedly more hard) pretty much negates the main point of a roller sear, which is to lighten the trigger break. It feels almost like a regular sear. It ends up creating a little more snappy trigger feel, which isn't bad in and of itself but like I said kinda defeats the point. The plates are not bad at all. I wish they were chrome plated, but that's not the worst thing in the world.

For a double trigger frame, you definitely want a very good plate and a roller sear. I actually think the Nummech roller plate would be perfect for a double frame; the bearings should in theory help with the potential binding you have to deal with in double frames. Just get a different roller sear. Freeflow sears are ok but not really my favorite; they'd probably be fine if you polish the lug contact point. But as they are, they were noticeably less smooth than the Belsales I was comparing to. But those are hard to find and SUPER expensive. I think the $20 autocockerparts.com roller sear would be my first choice, honestly.

Also make sure you have brass tipped glide screws. For a double frame, you want those suckers as tight as you can get them without the trigger sticking.

[lew]

Also make sure you have brass tipped glide screws. For a double frame, you want those suckers as tight as you can get them without the trigger sticking.

Thanks a lot for that info. I already have brass-tipped screws bookmarked. I can check tonight, but it should be 10-32 for the screws, right?

[Magmoormaster]

Aw jeez... I can't remember what mine had. One of the first frames I had used 2 different screws, one was 10-32 the other was 8-32. It was either my DYE frame or the bechmark double slider. Most of the time they're 10-32.

[lew]

Aw jeez... I can't remember what mine had. One of the first frames I had used 2 different screws, one was 10-32 the other was 8-32. It was either my DYE frame or the bechmark double slider. Most of the time they're 10-32.

Thanks, mate!

[Lt. head-shot]

I have the full Nummech frame and have not had any issues, maybe I am just lucky.

Just installed one of the roller sears from Autocockerparts.com in a stock WGP frame. Wow it made a HUGE difference. Extremely light now and I no longer having sticky trigger issues.

[lew]

I have the full Nummech frame and have not had any issues, maybe I am just lucky.

Just installed one of the roller sears from Autocockerparts.com in a stock WGP frame. Wow it made a HUGE difference. Extremely light now and I no longer having sticky trigger issues.

I think I'll go with the Telos trigger plate and Autococker parts sear if the stock nickled set I have isn't satisfactory. I actually have another Cocker that has a somewhat gritty trigger, so I'll definitely need at least one.

[Super69ur]

FreeFlow makes the best readily available roller sear on the market right now. And I’ve tried them all. You can polish it more if you tape over the bearing while you do it. This is great for pre-98 frames that take pre-98 plates. AKA currently makes the best plate to go along with this in this configuration.
The telos plate is amazing. Might need a little polish on the glide screw contact locations. Again, tape over the bearings while you do so. There is a problem with it however. The plate is too thick at the top. The bearing requires a thin sear.
Currently, only 3 sears fit in the Nummech frame while using this plate. Buyer beware with any other frame, as the geometry might be similar.
The Nummech.
The WGP style sold by autocockerparts . Com. (ACP)
And the Shocktech.
The Nummech sear is the worst of these 3. By far. The Shocktech comes in handy if building a midblock. Adjusting the cocking point a bit can make things easier. But the ACP one is very nice if the frame doesn’t have a very wide plate slot.

[AnarchicArctic]

As a little aside here since I don’t think it’s been mentioned, the benchmark double frames require pre2k spec hardware, but will mount on anything

[Magmoormaster]

My benchmark double took 98+ plates. It’s not universally pre98.

[lew]

My benchmark double took 98+ plates. It’s not universally pre98.

Correct. I have one that takes a '97 plate, and two that allow '98+.