Jack Wood should retro a new line of PE Autocockers

[SignOfZeta]

If the cocker market needs a thing it’s a steady supply of reasonably priced basic parts, like bodies and frames with AT levers. I’m pretty sure if you want a SuperCocker 2021 the guy will make it for you. If you have $1500+ to blow on a collectors piece that market still exists and has existed for some time. Don’t assume a few dozen Instagram collectors can keep any company alive who isn’t Freeflow, CCM, the established ones. Even Empire only makes the things in batches.

To me PE is basically Tippman at this point. I wouldn’t really associate them with cockers or any interesting. They are more like Moto GP and cockers are closer to a biker orgy. You may as well ask IBM to makes some really cool typewriters for us.

[Super69ur]

Field1 cocker is not a FreeFlow collab.

[lew]

they're not very ergonomic,

I realize that "ergonomic" is a nebulous and highly subjective term, but elaborate on that.

As for PE, a new-production classic-style Eclipse would be the cat's ass, but the price would be sky high, the market is flooded, and there are plenty of parts to choose from. Building a high-quality Cocker these days is not a challenge, and if your motivated paintball player can do that, why bother with a private label gun, especially one that is going to rival Angel LCD prices when those came out?

[Super69ur]

Hey I’m not disagreeing that they would
make money. But PE cranks out thousands of guns per month. It’s not worth their TIME comparatively.

It takes 1-2 hours to assemble a Cocker with some proficiency and quality. You can assemble a CS2 and an EMek in 35 mins. With similar margins.

[the_matrix_guy]

Yep. This is the sad reality. They are the biggest company in PB today. They can afford to just walk away from it.

[lew]

Having a chunk of metal that flies backwards every time the gun cycles isn't ideal.

Pneumatic location isn't ideal, trigger mechanism is awkward, velocity adjustment is a pain and generally requires three hands to do.

I love Cockers but they're not user friendly.

I don't hold my face/mask near the back of any marker, and it appears that most people do the same, so mechanics moving in that space is a non-issue. Pneumatics are in a great position- in the front, out of the way, and easy to access/service. Trigger requires a full pull, but that applies to a lot of mechanical markers. I'll agree that velocity adjustment is less-than-ideal, but no more than that.

[the_matrix_guy]

With today's low profile masks, I don't have any issues shooting a Cocker properly, slightly bent inward, in front of my face. Back in the day, with say a V-Force Morph, then yes. the facemask could make contact with the beavertail, etc so you'd have to conform around the gun a bit more. But Cocker awesomeness is not subjective. Anyone who doesn't like Cockers, is just plain wrong

[lew]

Preach it, brother.

I've used Spectra masks since the late '90's, and shot a retinue of Cockers slightly after that. I've never had the back block make contact with the mask, even when playing front and keeping things tight. I don't know where people get these notions.

[the_matrix_guy]

I love how fluid this thread has been. Turned into an all-out A/C discussion. It was inevitable, I guess.

[Super69ur]

Lew, with all do respect, these viewpoints are all subjective. Same with the person you’re disagreeing with. This is a personal preference or opinion based argument, and nobody is going to change anyone else opinion on the matter.

I love cockers. There’s a lot more to them than lubing up 5 orings and adjusting a 1/8 regulator screw to get them working. And some people are capable of doing it, some aren’t, and some aren’t willing to be. It’s just the way it is.

[Magmoormaster]

Yep. This is the sad reality. They are the biggest company in PB today. They can afford to just walk away from it.

It's not so much that they can afford to walk away from profit, so much as they would (and do) make more money doing what they're currently doing than they ever would making cockers. Jack and Ledz are some of the smartest minds in paintball, you think they haven't done a cost analysis on it?

[the_matrix_guy]

Isnt that the same thing? I said they can afford to walk away from it BECAUSE of their IP's and their mainstream success. Smaller companies like Shocktech can't afford to due to obvious reasons: they don't have multiple successful marker platforms /IPs.

Nevertheless, they're still walking away from hundreds of thousands of dollars. Maybe more.

[the_matrix_guy]

All things considered, I am more than happy to give my money to Shocktech. I have done so many times before.

[Magmoormaster]

Isnt that the same thing?

fair enough

[lew]

Lew, with all do respect, these viewpoints are all subjective. Same with the person you’re disagreeing with. This is a personal preference or opinion based argument, and nobody is going to change anyone else opinion on the matter.

And that is exactly the point: his subjective points are likely not a problem to most others. I don't like the ergonomics of a Tippmann 98, Emek, etc... with the foregrip pushed out further. Doesn't mean I'm right. Works for you? Killer.

[lew]

All things considered, I am more than happy to give my money to Shocktech. I have done so many times before.

Their FGP is my go-to Cocker LPR, and I've been really impressed with their rams and Bomb 2's as of late.

[the_matrix_guy]

Pro team Docs Warriors picked up by Shocktech for 2020:

[Super69ur]

I prefer half blocks as well.

[Super69ur]

Nummech makes it.
Pyro MidBlock body

[Knuckle Dragger]

Are those bodies gonna go up for sale again? I see people posting builds and Nummech isn’t showing stock. How do you like the frame?

[Super69ur]

Contact Andy for info on Nummech products.

Frame is great. Just need a little bit of fiddling. I wouldn’t recommend for a pump build. It relies on the 3-way rod for pre and post travel on the trigger plate.
Also. Replace the sear. That part sucks. Only three other roller sears on the market will fit though, the layout of where the sear pivot pin is different and causes the sear to be higher than most.

Autocockerparts . Com’s roller sear will fit.
And the Shocktech adjustable.
And another that I’m not gunna tell you all about. Yet.

[BrendanB]

I bought a PE cocker that needed some love and restored it. Fun project and I have already been offered over what I paid for the project. I think the market is good for the top end guns.

https://ibb.co/LvSCPPF

[the_matrix_guy]

+1 I'd pay big bucks for one too

[lew]

I bought a PE cocker that needed some love and restored it. Fun project and I have already been offered over what I paid for the project. I think the market is good for the top end guns.

https://ibb.co/LvSCPPF

That's a gorgeous marker, and I'm in agreement: I think PE could make a good pile of bucks bringing back their Cocker line.

PE likely still have the specs for the classic Eclipse and Belsales parts, and those would sell handsomely. Updating could come later.