Sting-idator, or Intimi-ray?

[DavidBoren]

Okay, here me out... the lower tube ram housing of an Intimidator fits INSIDE the hammer tube of a Stingray. See where I am going with this?

I have a few questions, though.

Could you keep the blowback action of the Stingray valve to reset the ram instead of feeding air to the front port in the ram housing?

Could you just thread the end of the ram housing tube to act as the threaded valve plug in the Stingray valve?

Like, where the ram housing tube would screw into the back of the Stingray valve in place of the brass valve plug screw... the front face would obviously have to replicate the original valve plug enough to hold a Stingray cup seal for the valve stem to seat on/seal against.

Either way, you have to cut off the poppet valve on the ram tube, and probably trim the front of the ram (or the back of the valve stem)... you can see in the pictures where-abouts this would maybe line up... I have blue tape on the Stingray hammer tube showing where the back of the valve is, and blue tape on the Intimidator ram housing where the end of the ram is... you can see the, like, 1/4" gap/overlap where either the ram or the valve stem would need to be shortened.

[XEMON]

There is only one way to find out, build it!
And don't forget to let us know how it goes 😜

[jetenginekyle]

Could you keep the blowback action of the Stingray valve to reset the ram instead of feeding air to the front port in the ram housing?

That would not work as nothing would prevent the ram from coming forward, you could mod the ram sleave to fit a spring and convert it to forward air spring on return. Doing this you would either need to plug the return side of the timmy noid or use a different noid.

[DavidBoren]

FASOR operation is my next option, but I can just use the normal balanced operation with a port at both ends of the ram... and I can just add an O-ring to the valve stem to eliminate blowback.

Since we have to remove the poppet valve end of the ram tube anyways, it no longer matters which direction the slot in the ram tube faces... instead of upwards, like it normally is in an Intimidator to engage the bolt pin... we can rotate the slot to the side to line up with the existing slot in the Stingray hammer tube. The ram housing doesn't care which way the ram inlet ports face, we can just use a little longer hoses to reach the ports on the side... pretty sure it can still be all kept inside the Stingray body, too.

Modifying the Stingray bolt linkage to engage the Intimidator ram seems so simple it hardly deserves to mentioned... the end that normally engaged the hammer has to be narrowed (slightly) to fit into the ram housing slot, and notched to kind of engage the ram a little better... the rail molded into the body will still stabilize the linkage, and we could even shim said rail to push the linkage closer, if needed.

Could use an Intimidator grip frame, electo or mech... or put a rifle stock on it, hide everything in there... honestly, the grip frame should be about as idiot simple as the bolt linkage.

What do you guys think?

[dartamon]

I always thought that you could sneak a ram in where the bolt linkage arm housing is located.

[scottieb]

Instingaraymadator.

[DavidBoren]

I always thought that you could sneak a ram in where the bolt linkage arm housing is located.

Oh, you could absolutely hide a whole set of 'cocker pnuematics under the body... you could hide an LPR and all sorts of rams and hoses where the transfer tube is, too. That huge, hollow pocket in front of the trigger guard could house all sorts of E-blade 3-ways or whatever...

I like the cut of your clothe.

[DavidBoren]

Hmm, might have see if my Evil Pimp ram housing will fit inside the Stingray hammer tube...

I think the Impulse/Pimp engine would make for a much shorter overall package than the Intimidator ram housing sticking out the back of the Stingray hammer tube... I might even actually need to shorten the hammer tube to use the Impulse/Pimp ram housing, which is better than having extra stuff hanging out past it.

Obviously, the Impulse/Pimp engine requires a specific sealing surface arrangement, but it can't be that hard to separate the input/output on the ram housing... it's not rocket surgery... pretty sure the lower tube on my Pimp isn't stepped or shouldered or tapered or anything fancy like that, so I think it's just O-rings separating the input/output on the ram housing... we might even get lucky, and it might seal against the inside of the Stingray hammer tube if the diameters are close enough. Still have to thread the Stingray hammer tube for the Impulse/Pimp end cap, or find some other way to secure the ram housing into the Stingray hammer tube.

Regardless, I am not impressed with how darn long the Intimidator ram tube is, and I am looking for shorter alternatives.

[DavidBoren]

Stingray valve is pretty close to 3/4" diameter.
Intimidator ram housing tube is 11/16" to 23/32".

There enough meat to cut off the poppet valve at the rear O-ring groove on the Intimidator ram housing tube, and still lathe/thread the remaining tube to duplicate the Stingray valve nut.

The good news is that it all really wouldn't stick out the back past the end of the Stingray hammer tube any more than the ASA originally did. Obviously, you can't use the original Stingray ASA, but that is hardly a concern. You could put two notches in the Intimidator ram housing, and re-use the original pin holes in the Stingray hammer tube to help secure it better... or not, it's your choice.

You will have to probably shorten the Intimidator ram, and drill a new front port... or just cut and thread the Intimidator ram housing tube ahead of the front air port. Might be able to use the blowback gas to jumpstart the piston backwards until the front air port is in control of the ram's rearward travel... or just eliminate the blowback with an O-ring on the Stingray valve stem.

So, umm, it would work...

[Ecapnation]

Price you on here?

Before you go chopping up Timmy ram sleeves depending on style the market exploded for Timmy parts lately

Also if you shorten it the front ram oring will not work and like you sumised you'll have to make a new air port... And a new ram that works with that...

You might be better off making a mount/hammer and using a cocker ram if some kind

[DavidBoren]

Price you on here?

Before you go chopping up Timmy ram sleeves depending on style the market exploded for Timmy parts lately

Also if you shorten it the front ram oring will not work and like you sumised you'll have to make a new air port... And a new ram that works with that...

You might be better off making a mount/hammer and using a cocker ram if some kind

I haven't checked the price of timmy parts, lately... and I don't need to be going out of my way to destroy something that isn't made anymore.

This is more just a thought experiment at this point, anyways... I have other projects going on, and was just kind of messing with spare parts as I was digging through my paintball stuff getting things for my other projects. The Intimidator ram was literally in my way, in the same box I was going through, sitting on top of the grip frame I needed to use for my pump action Omen.

Things just kind of snowballed from there... to where we are, right meow.

I will definitely try find a shorter ram assembly when I move forward with this project.

Edit: Found a better use for the Intimidator ram tube, anyways... a Spimmy.

[XEMON]

So this mean nothing will get done until this is complete, functional and shooting? 😁

[DavidBoren]

Xemon, none of my markers are "complete, functional and shooting". Lol. But, it's not a lost cause... I just need to finish my pump Omen before messing with this. So, the Sting-idator/Intimi-ray is on the back burner, for now.

I actually have a lot of faith in the Stingray's valve, and I really am curious to see how that valve shoots when controlled by an air ram instead of a sprung hammer.

I will need to find a ram assembly or FASOR setup that fits in the Stingray hammer tube... this will be going in a purple ice body that I would really rather not hack up [too much].

[XEMON]

That sounds like an awesome plan.
Those are a bit transparent too if I remember right, nice too see the inside is a bit different and see it move.