So you want to build a Mechanical Ion?

[Jordan]

I have a better/clearer diagram of where to machine a stock bolt.

[Jordan]

That should work too... as long as the groove ends up concentric and in roughly the right spot.

I know SSC and a couple other places will machine them for cheap but shipping costs make it too expensive to be worthwhile for me.

[ChoSanJuan]

It was almost $4 for my 6 bolts to ship to him. Add that to the $5/bolt and 3+ shipping... It was worth it! I can see that it might not be on a single bolt, though.

[Jordan]

Shipping to/from Canada is brutal at times... I'd be looking at $15-20 to ship, plus machining costs, plus return shipping.

When I can do it myself for free, well...

[Jester2844]

Thanks might try this

[Brokeass_baller]

Do it. I want pics.

[ChoSanJuan]

We all do!

[ChoSanJuan]

Thanks might try this

Heck yeah! Post up pics too!

[XEMON]

Dam ... I wish I had all this before letting my ions go ... I would have probably kept one ...

I do have a spare bolt (single o-ring). I may add the groove on the lathe and let it go if someone is interested ...

what is the tail o-ring size?

[Jordan]

010, 70 durometer

[XEMON]

Thanks 👍
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[ChoSanJuan]

Updated the image from Jordan. Thanks again!
Also added the thingiverse link to my SMAV-3 mount.

[ChoSanJuan]

Just got back $30 worth of converted bolts from SSC. Updating the main post with my video and how it works.

[JeeperCreeper]

I tried one with the coveted L6 bolt and it ran great. I have another bolt that I'm not sure what it is, but its a black dual tail and weighs less than the L6. I now have the BOB setup so I can easily get some data on 4 different types of dual tail bolts that I have

[SevillaD96]

Is there a way if one were to fabricate a bracket to hold it in an SP-1 would this work for that too? It pretty much is the same parts inside just in a mil-sim frame.

[JeeperCreeper]

It has been done. The SSC bracket just kinda wedges itself in the trigger frame with screws. Like a friction fit. I personally used the SSC mount and drilled holes and screwed it to the frame for my custom dye trigger frame

[JeeperCreeper]

There is a second set screw that you can't see but it keeps it from moving

[ChoSanJuan]

I'm assuming that the SP1 frame rail is still there for the board to slide in. If you check out the bottom of my main post, I have my 3d model up for printing. I designed it to slot in the spot where the board goes.

[Jordan]

No... SP1 boards are horizontal, and don't fit the same as an Ion. The TFGPB kits were different for the SP1 vs. the Ion kit in terms of mounting the SMAV.

[ChoSanJuan]

Damn, I'd design a new mount if I had the grip to model it after. :/

[Jordan]

I've got two sitting here, let me know if you want to borrow one.

[Myrkul]

FYI:

The Super Stanchy Mech Ion kit is a drop in for Epiphany's as well, despite having a different trigger design then the stock Ion. I did hear rumors that the Epiphany firing can requires too high of an operating pressure to work with the mech kits, so I just dropped a NDZ Ion can ($13 on ebay) in there and it rips just fine. Hitting playable velocities @160 PSI with zero issues.


Initial shooting video:
https://youtu.be/L9famzgL8Fc

[Target]

If I have a bolt modded for dual tail orings, will it still work in a Ion or will the 2nd oring mess things up?

[Jordan]

If I have a bolt modded for dual tail orings, will it still work in a Ion or will the 2nd oring mess things up?

It will be better, actually... dual tail oring bolts allow for better efficiency and consistency on stock Ions.

The biggest reason you need one for a mech Ion is that normally the amount of time the bolt is held forward (to vent the dump chamber/fire the ball) is controlled electronically. Using a dual tail oring seals off the dump chamber from the air supply (supplied via the rear donut) so even if the bolt is held forward via the trigger the dump chamber won't continuously vent and affect consistency/velocity/efficiency.

[Brianeric26]

Hey guys new here , I have an extcy that has a broken selenoid , looking around it looks similar to the ion is there a way i could mech it like it's done here with the ion ?

[Myrkul]

I've never seen an Extcy IRL, but based on everything I'm seeing here: https://www.gogpaintball.com/downloads/extcy-manual.pdf
I see zero reason it wouldn't work. Pretty much the same gun.

[Jordan]

Hey guys new here , I have an extcy that has a broken selenoid , looking around it looks similar to the ion is there a way i could mech it like it's done here with the ion ?

If you're able to create a mount to hold the SMAV in place it should be straight forward.

[Brianeric26]

Thanks i end up getting parts from a enmey, it works but got a leaky valve , so im thinking about maybe getting the smav valve intead , has anybody tested mech ion vs enmey?

[fouge]

Can I use an aftermarket bolt with dual orings tail? I have an epiphany and the firebolt have an only one oring.

[Jordan]

Yes, but in my experience Epiphanies run at too high of pressure to work well as mechs... hoses start popping off at 200psi.

[Myrkul]

You can, I've used the Shocktech Super Fly, The Tech-T Level 6, and a dual tailed Fire Bolt. They all work well. If we are being 100% honest the dual tailed Fire Bolt shot the best. I'd send off your current fire bolt to Stanchy to get the additional tail added. It's $5 + return shipping: https://stanchy.com/collections/mech...s/mech-ion-kit

Jordan is correct that the stock epiphany doesn't have the volume needed to run a mech kit. You can just slap an Ion firing can in there and it'll add enough volume to work perfectly though. My epiphany has an NDZ Ion firing can and hits velocity at around 165 psi.