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    The Return of the PGP Grip Mod!

    I haven't posted many mods in a while, but that certainly doesn't mean I haven't been busy. Besides work for various customers, including some of you lot, who have been very patient with me I've also been heavily remodelling the shop. Not only to make room for no less than three new machines this year alone, but to reduce the clutter, increase the work space, improve tool storage and in general make it more pleasant to work in there.

    I am, at the moment, down to five customer jobs, of which most should be cleared out by sometime next week. If you haven't heard from me recently, I do apologize, but I've been burning fourteen candles at all thirty-seven ends since at least midsummer.

    Anyway, one of the... *ahem*... slightly overdue projects I had on the table, was to mod a handful of PGP grip frames, using the technique I've been using since around 1997. That's not a typo.

    The link has a more detailed description of the process- it's not a bolt-on, unfortunately- but to simplify, one saws off the bottom "loop" of the Sheridan frame, mills up a replacement "block", and attaches it to the frame with screws and epoxy.



    After a lick of epoxy spray paint and reassembly, you have a nice, solid frame to which you can attach stocks, rails, bottomlines, duckbills, platypuses or even small children, depending on how cooperative they are.



    It takes a little handwork, but with care, the seam and screws can be nearly invisible. (Although this is admittedly the best of the four. )



    The new profile fits old Sniper grips perfectly (they ought, as that's what I cut them to fit ) and if you trim them a little, the old LAPCO or later stock WGP finger-groove grips fit just fine.



    Always a fun little mod. I still have the first one I modded back in the day- a P68-SC that I converted to direct feed and a ventilated rib, and had Palmer's matte-nickel back on '97 or so. Used to shoot laser beams back when I could get paint that actually fit it.

    Doc.
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    You've done this mod on old pot metal cocker frames as well right?
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      #3
      We all know you've been busy wooing a local coffee shop owner 😉


      Looks cool though!

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        #4
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          #5
          Sir,

          Very nice

          Best,

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            #6
            Awesome, would this be a kit (we cut our own frame) or are you gonna sell the frames completed?

            I have a few extra sheridan Frome's if you're looking for spares ...
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              #7
              You've done this mod on old pot metal cocker frames as well right?
              -Well, I've used the same kind of JB Weld to glue a cracked one back together, yes. But there's little need to convert a 'Cocker frame to accept bottomline accessories, when it did so from the factory.

              We all know you've been busy wooing a local coffee shop owner
              -If that were true, you gents would see even less of me.

              [The Duke.]
              -Actually, that's a big chunk of what's taken up so much of my time recently. So far this year, with scrimping, saving and not a little borrowing, I've added $40K in new (to me) machines to the shop this year. And that means moving, sorting, organizing and storing enough crap to make room for them, getting workspaces and workbenches organized so I'm not literally tripping over piles of stuff.

              I still have a ways to go before it's all ready, but big progress is being made.

              Awesome, would this be a kit (we cut our own frame) or are you gonna sell the frames completed?
              -I was thinking of machining the 'block' and offering it to customers that want to install it themselves, but even that requires a lot of handwork and fitting and drilling and whatnot. You want one or some, I can sure make some, but it's still going to be a trick installing them.

              I have a few spare frames, myself, and one of the things I was considering was offering an "exchange". You send in your frame, I send back one already completed.

              Except given my usual workload, what would inevitably happen is I wouldn't have gotten to modding the replacements, so when a customer sends one in, I'd have to sit down and mod it as usual. So no real time savings.

              This is a mod I've been offering for years, done a fair handful of them, but it's not cheap- lots of hand work- which tends to limit interest.

              Doc.
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                #8
                Thats great.

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                  #9
                  Um...Yes please! The Short and Nasty deserves to be run Hawaiian Style! I love this little bucking bronco, but the back bottle messes with the pistol-ish-ness of it, even with my smallest tanks.
                  I actually prefer the idea of having the stock bottom of grip angle like on the existing frame, to be able to use a "straight" bottomline ASA like an XSV and still have a downward angle for the bottle. That way I could still use these beautiful grips. Could you mill a piece to do a "no cut" insert to reinforce the existing bottom loop enough to attach an ASA (for a VERY small tank only)?

                  If I have to swap frames...I notice that the front frame screw on my Palmers is forward of the trigger guard, not inside the trigger guard like on my PGP. Is the Palmers frame still just a Sheridan frame with a new hole drilled in it?
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                    #10
                    Easy. We'd still want to 'replace' the lower loop of the frame, simply so that if you mount a tank, stock or cooperative marmot to the bottom, it still has a flat face o mount to. But I can make the bottom any profile you want. Factory Sheridan profile would be easy. You want it flared out like a Carter grip and angled downward? No problem. Built-in drop-forward? Can do.

                    All I'd need is the grip frame- don't even need the internals, and don't lose the little ball!- and the grips.

                    Doc.
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                    • Mechstar

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                      Sound good Doc. I will email you to get a plan together. I may want to take it a step further and incorporate some gas through grip functionality also. Ideally to be able to remove the side hardlines and have a curved hardline that acts as a trigger guard go directly to the valve.

                    #11
                    Originally posted by Mechstar View Post
                    If I have to swap frames...I notice that the front frame screw on my Palmers is forward of the trigger guard, not inside the trigger guard like on my PGP. Is the Palmers frame still just a Sheridan frame with a new hole drilled in it?
                    I believe that's because Palmers uses the KP spacing for their custom built stuff. The Super Stocker I have is the same way, Sheridan frame with the hole in front of the trigger guard.

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                    • Mechstar

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                      thanks for the reply. Since I do not want to cut up the original trigger frame, do you know if the correct frame is readily available used? Does it have a specific name to ask for, to differentiate it from a standard PGP frame?

                    • XEMON

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                      The usual names to differentiate the 2 are "Sheridan spacing" Vs. "Palmer spacing" ...
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