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    How to Make a Paintball Part in Just Three Easy Steps!

    I'd like to let you ladies and gents in on a little secret. A dirty secret I've been carefully guarding for many, many years now. Are you ready for this?

    I make parts for paintball guns.

    Yeah, I'm sure that's a lot to take in; if you need to, go lie down, have a stiff drink, breathe into a paper bag if you need to. Or even a half-full Doritos bag, I don't judge.

    The other side of that dirty little secret is that for all these years I've been a manual machine shop. That is, I make my parts on plain manual engine lathes, Bridgeport style manual mills, drill presses, and big freakin' hammers. (The latter mostly used for "fixing" Ions. ) I've contracted out to several CNC production shops for many of my products over the years, but a lot of what I've made, I made basically by hand, one crank of the handle at a time.

    Now, trying not to get too windy here, one of the biggest problems I have with those outside shops is the volume of parts I make. A typical production CNC shop wants to see orders of 5,000 and 10,000 parts. But while I'd love to have some products that sell by the thousands, I don't. Most of my stuff sells in the 50 to 200 range. And while I can occasionally find a shop that will make a batch that small, that's small enough that I get kicked to the back burner if the shop gets busy.

    And, you know what's happened since Covid hit? All those shops have either had to cut way back (time, people, pay, etc.) or are taking on the demand from shops that had to pare back.

    One of my best suppliers did this. He took on a ton of work from outside shops, and my little batches got shoved to the bottom of the list. I ordered over $8K- my cost- in five different parts almost seventeen months ago. As of six weeks ago, I finally got the second half of the FIRST of them. Some of you gents wondering where my Tanto barrels are? There's your answer. I beg, I plead, I wave money, and I get told I'm "next on the list" and still I wait. And wait, and wait.

    Earlier this summer, after the one-year mark came and went, I finally decided to do something about it. Something I've been planning to do and working towards for better than five years now.

    I bought my own goddam machine.



    This was not a step I took lightly. My little biz here has always been very low profit, and generally operated off a tattered and frayed shoestring budget. I put myself rather badly in debt over this, and worse, the day it arrived, I had no idea how to actually operate it.

    Worse still, here in downtown backwater Left Armpit, Alaska, people that DO know how to use it are few and far between. So far between, they basically don't exist. Teaching myself to use a professional-quality CNC turning center, when as of a few years before, I'd never so much as pushed the "start" button on so much as a cheap 3D printer, has been a great deal* (in this case, meaning "very little") fun.

    However, all that woe-is-me crap aside, I have it up and running, I know just enough of how to program it that I only crash it a few dozen a day, and I've made my first small batch of what are basically test parts.

    And for you bored sorts, I made videos of doing so.

    Now, this is not by any stretch of the imagination the "right" way to make parts, or even how I normally made them. Actually, to be honest this is all kind of a clusterflux. But again, it's just a test part- A fairly simple piece that was just a drawing I had on hand to give me something to practice programming. But, once I had the code more or less settled out (mostly less) I hated to "waste" the effort, so I found a bar of material, chopped it up, and made a small run out of it.

    The "right" way would have been to have the entire piece run on the CNC, but I'm still short some crucial tooling, and for such a small run, it wasn't worth buying it just yet, nor setting it up. So, I wound up taking, including learning-to-program time, waiting-on-tools time, and working-on-paying-jobs time, approximately five weeks, and four different machines, to make a whopping thirty parts.

    It'll get better from here. (I hope. )

    So, Part One: After chopping a chunk of 1" bar to length with an Evolution style saw, each one was faced to length and drilled on the turret lathe:



    Part Two, running each one through the CNC lathe. For those of you with more extensive G-code experience, don't laugh too hard- six weeks ago I couldn't have done any of that.



    And finally, Part Three, knurling each one, and chamfering the edges where the knurling rolled the metal over a bit.



    The next part, I hope to make a lot more, like 200+. I can't make Tantos yet, they're too long for this machine. But the pro shop has, once again, promised them "shortly". (Where's the "rolls eyes" smiley?) But I still have some old favorites to bring back, a new anno shop that's promising me much better turnarounds (I had one shop close on me last year, taking nearly 200 parts into limbo with it) and overall hopefully more parts and faster production.

    Doc.
    Doc's Machine & Airsmith Services: Creating the Strange and Wonderful since 1998!
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    #2
    G-code gets easier as you go ... And with your machining background you understand toolpath which is the hardest part ...
    there are some differences that you will pick up, mostly in term of how to design the part so you can do as much work as possible with a single tool.

    Can you go straight from cad to g-code or do you code in g- by hand?

    Please keep making stuff for us, you've been on e of the few long time pillar, and one of the smallest, of out tiny community.
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      #3
      Time to go buy some mag parts from the website to fund the cause.
      I could have sworn I had something important to put here...
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        #4
        Heck yes! I'm really excited for you to have finally made the leap! I hope this leads to your designs becoming more prolific.

        Not that you asked, but some stuff I remember from my CNC years:
        1) Excellent choice of machine and coolant. You clearly splurged here. I cannot wait to see it pay off for you.
        B) You'll learn a few things the hard way. Don't let tool paths be one of them. Follow your well-trained ear and run everything at a snails pace the first couple of ops.
        III) If you're going for perfection, don't forget to true and calibrate the machine any time it or anything heavy near it is moved. Doubt this has much impact on most paintball parts, but it'd be measurable on a barrel for sure.
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          #5
          Do I see a "Green Dodge Neon" in the background


          Some of you will get that reference Seriously Doc happy to see you were able to make the leap and my best of wishes on making it profitable. I have always had good dealings with you and will continue to support your efforts. [Runs off to the on-line store]


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            #6
            Originally posted by XEMON View Post
            Can you go straight from cad to g-code or do you code in g- by hand?
            -In this case, by hand. CAD is another of my weak points. I've fooled around with Fusion 360, but am by no means an expert there. However, one thing this Omni has going for it, is the software is fairly simple- compared to the all-the-bells-and-whistles of a cutting edge OS like Centroid- and their user manual is excellent.

            2-axis lathe work is comparatively easy to code. The program for the part you just saw (my XL knob for the Phantom drop-out changers) is barely a page and a third of text, printed out.

            Please keep making stuff for us, you've been on e of the few long time pillar, and one of the smallest, of out tiny community.
            -I'm not sure I'm not THE longest. (Er, so to speak. You know what I mean. ) Apart from Palmer's, I can't think of another small shop/airsmith/manufacturer that's been in full-time business as long as I have. I mean, guys that "went big", sure- Bob Long, Dave Youngblood, etc. But the garage-shop crew like Punisher, Rhino Joe, OtterSC, MadMatt? I've been doing this as a main day job since July 1 of 1998. (And technically was working up to it for a year before that.)

            Time to go buy some mag parts from the website to fund the cause.
            -I'd appreciate that a lot. Two notes I'd like to point out, though. One, the latest TWB books are out and still in stock. And, if you want any of the previous twenty TWB books, I have those in stock too. (Similar situation to this CNC shop thing- I had a shop making the books for me, earlier, and he bailed on me, saying he'd start them back up once his new shop in another state was up and running. Seven years later, after bailing on me yet again, I told him to go hug a rope, bought my own equipment and have been making them in-house ever since.)

            And two: The main store site will, unfortunately, often glitch with the shipping, basically stacking shipping. That is, charging individual shipping on each item. I've complained to the host any number of times, and played with the software myself to the best of my ability (which isn't saying much in this case) but it keeps doing it. If you buy multiple items and it racks up extra shipping, you can either email me directly and I can take your order directly, or I usually just refund the overage over PayPal.

            It's a hassle, but I'm doing what I can to keep it all working.

            1) Excellent choice of machine and coolant. You clearly splurged here.
            -Trust me, I didn't just jump at the first machine that came along.

            The original plan was- and had been for three or four years- to buy a Tormach machine, lathe or mill. The reasoning there was I wanted new, because there are no service techs anywhere in the state, and I wanted at least a year's warranty. But it takes a long time to save that much money in this biz, and the feast-and-famine nature of it makes financing more than a little risky. The price on the Tormachs were going up faster than I could save, and then all this hyperinflation hit, making what I'd saved worth even less. One of my Guild regulars pointed out he knew of an Omniturn in good shape, being sold by a reputable dealer. I did some research, found out they're well-regarded machines, considered easy to use, fast and accurate, reliable, and easy to service is they do break down.

            The kicker was running across this video, showing an Omniturn making an entire part (admittedly in Delrin) in the time it took a Tormach just to perform a tool change.

            I contacted the dealer, found out I could get it, shipped, for $10K less than just the asking price of the Tormach, and pulled the proverbial trigger.

            You'll learn a few things the hard way. Don't let tool paths be one of them. Follow your well-trained ear and run everything at a snails pace the first couple of ops.
            -It's worth noting that in that video, I had just about everything- spindle speed, rapids, etc.- set to roughly half what I could have. It took about a minute, twenty to do what you saw, I could have likely cut that down to forty or fifty seconds without unduly straining the machine. Now, I don't necessarily need ultimate speed. I'm not making thousands of parts per run. I figure making 200 of anything is likely the biggest run I'll ever do. But it's still nice not waiting five or six minutes on a simple part.

            If you're going for perfection, don't forget to true and calibrate the machine any time it or anything heavy near it is moved.
            -This particular machine doesn't need levelling.It's basically a small lathe bed and headstock, bolted to a welded steel frame- the bed basically stays true to itself regardless of what you do to the frame. (Within reason, of course. )

            And, for a gang-tool machine with an effective part length of maybe four inches (it has more travel, of course, but too much further out and you get chatter) it'd have to be WAY out of line to give an appreciable error to a piece that short.

            That's why I can't do Tantos on this thing- a barrel that far out needs a tailstock, and there's no way to put a tailstock on a gang-tool machine.

            Doc.
            Doc's Machine & Airsmith Services: Creating the Strange and Wonderful since 1998!
            The Whiteboard: Daily, occasionally paintball-related webcomic mayhem!
            Paintball in the Movies!

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              #7
              Originally posted by Grendel View Post
              Do I see a "Green Dodge Neon" in the background
              -Yeah? And so what if I want to make aluminum shift knobs instead of the rifles I was contracted to do three years ago?!?

              Actually, that car is about as far from a Neon as you can get without going into the realm of Italian exotics. And unfortunately, I haven't touched it in a couple of years, so no worries I'm wasting time on that instead of customer work.

              Seriously Doc happy to see you were able to make the leap and my best of wishes on making it profitable. I have always had good dealings with you and will continue to support your efforts. [Runs off to the on-line store]
              -I appreciate the support!

              I've been wanting/needing to do this for years. Honestly, I should have done it a decade ago. But the money was just never there. And, point in fact, wasn't here now, but I was able to borrow what I didn't have, and under fairly reasonable terms.

              Now, if I could just do something about the mill... 😈

              Doc.
              Doc's Machine & Airsmith Services: Creating the Strange and Wonderful since 1998!
              The Whiteboard: Daily, occasionally paintball-related webcomic mayhem!
              Paintball in the Movies!

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                #8
                Well done Doc! Looks like fun times!


                Walker

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                  #10
                  Originally posted by Jordan View Post
                  I was secretly hoping this thread featured my RT body I sent in, but this is much cooler.
                  -I was actually going to ask: How much of a hurry are you in for that mod? I was thinking about doing a video of it, but I'd like to take my time and do it right- the video, that is, not just the body.

                  Well done Doc! Looks like fun times!
                  -I'll readily admit that, while I wanted to throw tools and break things at times during the "figuring out" stage, I cackled like a supervillain the first time it worked right.

                  Doc.
                  Doc's Machine & Airsmith Services: Creating the Strange and Wonderful since 1998!
                  The Whiteboard: Daily, occasionally paintball-related webcomic mayhem!
                  Paintball in the Movies!

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                  • flyweightnate

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                    If you hadn't cackled like a supervillain, it would have been time for a career change

                  #11
                  Originally posted by DocsMachine View Post

                  -I was actually going to ask: How much of a hurry are you in for that mod? I was thinking about doing a video of it, but I'd like to take my time and do it right- the video, that is, not just the body.



                  -I'll readily admit that, while I wanted to throw tools and break things at times during the "figuring out" stage, I cackled like a supervillain the first time it worked right.

                  Doc.
                  No rush, just hoping to have it back before March so I'll be ready for the start of the season.

                  So go for it! I like your project page writeup but a video of the process would very groovy, baby.
                  And God turned to Gabriel and said: “I shall create a land called Canada of outstanding natural beauty, with majestic mountains soaring with eagles, sparkling lakes abundant with bass and trout, forests full of elk and moose, and rivers stocked with salmon. I shall make the land rich in oil so the inhabitants prosper and call them Canadians, and they shall be praised as the friendliest of all people.”

                  “But Lord,” asked Gabriel, “Is this not too generous to these Canadians?”

                  And God replied, “Just wait and see the neighbors I shall inflict upon them."

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                    #12
                    Originally posted by DocsMachine View Post
                    That's why I can't do Tantos on this thing- a barrel that far out needs a tailstock, and there's no way to put a tailstock on a gang-tool machine.
                    It has 9" Z with bar feeder option, yeah? I'm betting you find a way to make an almost 9" long Tanto.

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                    • RedLeaderSB
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                      Hmm, with 7/8-20 threaded ends.

                    #13
                    Originally posted by Siress View Post
                    It has 9" Z with bar feeder option, yeah? I'm betting you find a way to make an almost 9" long Tanto.
                    -It's not the travel limitations, it's the unsupported length. A gang tool machine can't generally take a tailstock, and the Omni definitely can't. A thin-wall tube sticking out 8" or 9" will chatter like mad, if not get ripped out of the chuck entirely.

                    I could have the machine bore the blanks, yes, but I can't profile the outside with it. My handbuilt CNC Logan, however, can.

                    But for the moment, I'm taking the shop on his promise I'll have them in hand before the end of the year. Probably stupid of me, but there's plenty of other things I can feed through this machine before I need to start trying to make something like that work.

                    Doc.
                    Doc's Machine & Airsmith Services: Creating the Strange and Wonderful since 1998!
                    The Whiteboard: Daily, occasionally paintball-related webcomic mayhem!
                    Paintball in the Movies!

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                      #14
                      Hmm, with 7/8-20 threaded ends.
                      -I can sure do that.

                      I know the Tippmanns have to have a 'step' at the breech end to retain the insert. Are there any other markers that take that thread?

                      Doc.
                      Doc's Machine & Airsmith Services: Creating the Strange and Wonderful since 1998!
                      The Whiteboard: Daily, occasionally paintball-related webcomic mayhem!
                      Paintball in the Movies!

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                        #15
                        Awesome to see Doc! Loving my P block Stock and Cocker' barrel adapters. Keep up the good work!
                        I'm pretty mean with a mouse and SolidWorks if you ever need something worked up on the puter'

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