Vee Twin Autococker

[DocsMachine]

No worries AM! Didn't mean to make you wait, just had a lot of end-of-the-year chores to do. One of those big benefits of being self-employed that the books don't tell ya about.

One of those chores is I'm switching over to a new PC- the previous one was working great, but pushing seven years old. For once in my life, I wanted to swap to a fresh one before the old one exploded. I am, however, at the moment, without email; we're having some issue, likely brought on by my stupidity of such things, with passwords and/or server configurations. I'm hoping to get my guru to come by later today (Sunday) and it should, I hope, be a quick fix.

No worries, I still have full access to all my old inboxes, the old PC works fine. I just can't yet send or receive from the new one.

And yes, I still have the blanks and the one partially-finished one, and all the previous agreements are still in place. I wanted to wait 'til after the first of the year anyway, before any funds changed hands, simply for minor tax reasons.

Give me another day or two, and I should be back up to full speed. Thanks for your patience!

Doc.

[automeister]

Hello Doc, just wanted to follow up with you. Are we still able to place an order for one of these?

[automeister]

Thank you so much Doc, I am seriously excited about this!

[Meleager7]

Wow, there ain’t no party, like a vee twin party!!

[DocsMachine]

Everybody should be replied to!

I've given first dibs- since he started this thread - for the partially-complete Mini body to Automeister. I have a local fellow interested in a full-size kit, Seth gets dibs on another, and unless somebody else wants it, I'll build the fourth for myself.

And I can always make more.

Doc.

[SETHZILLA!]

PMing you Doc about one for me as well.

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[automeister]

Doc, can you put me down for one of these? I would like to place an order. I am ready to make a deposit

[BlindFaith429]

Very cool. I wasn't sure if the design would limit the ROF, with the added mass of the dual bolts and the added stress of running 2 air chambers from one valve.

As you said, even just cycling the gun at 10 BPS is essentially like shooting 20 since it is the dual set-up.

As far as the why, I wasn't thinking about a speed-ball set up. Just more of a "go big or go home" mentality, plus the intimidation factor of this thing ripping off 2 strings of balls at once lol

[DocsMachine]

Needs more video...

-That's the same one I posted 'in the white'. Hope he's still got the pump kit.

Out of curiosity, could you E-Blade that thing, and crank up the ROF?

-Of course. There's one out there anodized a sort of 'lava' red, as I recall, that the owner put an first-gen E-Blade on. (No eye.)

Thing is, as the above video notes, a 'Twin is trying to shoot two balls though what's basically a normal sized 'Cocker valve and valve chamber. That's actually kind of asking a lot, and so you need a lot of pressure and a lot of spring. And, the faster you get the ROF, the more any restriction in your air supply starts being a thing- remember, it "thinks" it's shooting twice the actual ROF. If you're only shooting 10/sec, the air needs to keep up with 20/sec. (In all reality, probably slightly more, as the twin-barrel arrangement isn't as efficient as a single-tube.)

One of the early ones I built, I tried making a copy of the Tornado, including using a real Tornado poppet, thinking the additional flow would let me keep the pressures manageable.

Unfortunately, the Tornado, while a great valve for a single, was a poor choice- they're more sensitive than most to pressure variations (you're supposed to tune a Tornado-equipped 'Cocker with pressure rather than the IVG) and if you get them out of the 'sweet spot' you have to really reef down on them to get back up to velocity.

The fact is, a more standard-profile 'Cocker valve and valve stem, and what we'd consider higher pressures today, are the ticket.

Also... keep in mind that a VT is not a particularly light, quick gun. The ram has to cycle twice the mass as a standard 'Cocker, plus the stress of the heavier mainspring.

Ken made at least one of his "Ma Deuces" in a halfblock configuration (wait, if it's a halfblock, but twice as big, wouldn't that be a full block again? ) but again, that's still twice the weight of a conventional halfblock.

A Vee-Twin is not a light, fast, speedball gun. They're meant mainly to be fun, different and intimidating.

Doc.

[Chuck E Ducky]

STOP your making me MOIST!

[BlindFaith429]

Jesus thats amazing.

Out of curiosity, could you E-Blade that thing, and crank up the ROF?

[russc]

I had a springfed nasty Houndstooth. I definitely would not recommend double springfeeds. Every time I reloaded I was out of the fight for what felt like forever.

[OpusX]

Needs more video...

[automeister]

Thank you for getting back to me Doc! I would like a bare bones body kit for a mechanical marker. I would like a full body or mini, whichever is cheaper. No fancy milling or anno.

[Headshotted]

Fastest polarbear in the west.