So MANY TMC's and TIPX pistols for sale......

[Meleager7]

I check our Canadian craiglist (Kijiji) in Ontario quite often looking for deals and treasure, and I see countless new ads of guys trying to unload their TMC's and TIPXs .......I have no interest in Mag Fed so I don't read the descriptions, but I am curious what is causing this trend?

Is the Milsim / Real Steel / Larp'ing nature of mag fed responsible for bringing new mag fed players into the game, only to have them determine quickly that Mag Fed play is not for them due to the well known drawbacks of magfed:

• very limited in terms of ammo capacity compared to even a Renter
• equipment that is very prone to jam, chop paint
• poor ergonomics - the AR15 platform has great ergonomics for real steel shooters, but for paintball mask wearing players, the straight back tank placement, or AR car stock is awkward and interferes with a paintball mask lower
• A typical mag fed loadout can be bulky and heavy and hot
• The biggest advantage a mag fed marker offers, First Strike, is cost prohibitive and often banned at fields for regular play

Basically, is the "cool factor" of swapping mags just not enough to keep them playing the format?

Or conversely.....are they so in love with Mag Fed play, that they cannot wait to unload their starter TMC and move into a better quality marker such as the FS T15, a Milsig, or an MG100, etc ?

Discuss!

[Trbo323]

If they are even staying in paintball I'm betting they are moving on to a hopper setup.

Magfeed only games sound nice but the reality is there are not many out there. You end up playing with the walk on players with range from the birthday party rental 98s to the speed baller who has nobody else to play with

ALL of which will have about 4x the amount of paint just in the hopper over our mag feed player does total

The other thing I think you missed a little bit in your list of down sides is these players are the COD players from a few years ago. So mag feed is obviously superior (for some unknown reason) and they are buying into the hype because mag feed is what they know from video games.

And while yes it CAN have advantages, like running fs, in order to really do that you have to invest a ton of money. More money onto mags over the marker, dedicated vest setup, risers and a scope that can work with your mask.

The players that realize mag feed is a disadvantage on a regular field get the most out of it because they play it like a pump player, work on your gameplay to make up for the gear limitations



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[Meleager7]

COD fans, and First Person Shooter fans in general.....this could also be why terms describing a paintball park , have shifted from "fields" to "maps" in recent years

[Ecapnation]

Likely bought for "home defense" and people dumping them now that things are calmer-ish

[Dusty Bottoms]

Likely bought for "home defense" and people dumping them now that things are calmer-ish

If even one person did that then that's hilarious!

[Trbo323]

If even one person did that then that's hilarious!

.... They sell them specifically for that....

Not tippmann mind you, but they sell the design to other companies to produce

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[The Inflicted]

.... They sell them specifically for that....

Not tippmann mind you, but they sell the design to other companies to produce

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Plus ANS Gear has been bundling together various Paintball guns with pepper balls for several months now.

https://www.ansgear.com/Home_Defense_Packages_s/8821.htm

[Trbo323]

Man that just seems like a terrible idea. It's not like any of those are designed to sit long term and then save your life when you pull the trigger for the first time in 2 years

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[Cdn_Cuda]

Funny, now there’s a bunch of mag-fed stuff on my local Craigslist too. Only one TMC with a TIPX, a 98 and a bunch of “Megs” $1600 CAD....

[Jordan]

Likely bought for "home defense" and people dumping them now that things are calmer-ish

Yeah, no one in Canada is buying them for that.

[ATBen]

Not for that per se, but I do appreciate anything multi purpose.

[glaman5266]

I'm not really sure, as I don't play magfed... But it seems to me that people who start magfed with a roundball paintgun either:
A: Decide it's not for them. Or...
B: Decide that FS is the way to go.

In the case of A, I don't think a lot people take into account the huge difference in gameplay between magfed & hopper fed when jumping into the magfed world. I went through this when trying stock class (and utterly failing at it). It isn't for everyone.

In the case of B, the MG100 & the Milsig/Valken M17 are pretty much the next step up. Both are better overall markers than the TMC and shoot FS rounds fresh out the box. After buying all the mags & other gear for the TMC you still have just a glorified 98C. Those that stick with magfed seem to simply want something better after a little while.

There are reasons magfed & stock class are niche in this sport.

[Arthur]

Well this is interesting because the TMC and the TipX are actually pretty good by (shit) magfed standards. I own a TMC and I loan it out at MFOG games, always works, people try to buy it from me after the game.

Since the MF100 (mg100) I've noticed all sorts of selling activity... People are dumping their finicky blowbacks with crap tolerances for something that was actually tested and uses modern technology. (e.g. Planet Eclipse).

[SignOfZeta]

I’d assume they all broke.

[SignOfZeta]

Well this is interesting because the TMC and the TipX are actually pretty good by (shit) magfed standards. I own a TMC and I loan it out at MFOG games, always works, people try to buy it from me after the game.

Since the MF100 (mg100) I've noticed all sorts of selling activity... People are dumping their finicky blowbacks with crap tolerances for something that was actually tested and uses modern technology. (e.g. Planet Eclipse).

Weird, because the design looks 50 years old. And the site and barrel look like they were designed for 4000 yards.

[Arthur]

Its a loaner and I like seeing ARs from the 80's / 90's amongst the tacticool elite.

[Trbo323]

Both are better overall markers than the TMC and shoot FS rounds fresh out the box. After buying all the mags & other gear for the TMC you still have just a glorified 98C.

What? Don't get me wrong, you won't find any love for the tipx/tmc design from me but it's not a blowback or has any parts beyond maybe the body screws and detent in common with the 98c. They are completely separate platforms.

Tipx/tmc is close to the automag drive train they just eliminated the sear. There is nothing really wrong with the base concepts of it if you ask me.

Now how they chose to put it together, yeah that's a steaming pile of dumpster fire if you ask me (granted I haven't taken apart a tmc yet but my understanding is it's very similar to the tipx breakdown)

It has to be fully assembled in order to gas it up which means finding the leak is an exercise in guess and check

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[Biscuits]

Tmc is exactly a 98 on the inside.

[The Inflicted]

What? Don't get me wrong, you won't find any love for the tipx/tmc design from me but it's not a blowback or has any parts beyond maybe the body screws and detent in common with the 98c. They are completely separate platforms.

Tipx/tmc is close to the automag drive train they just eliminated the sear. There is nothing really wrong with the base concepts of it if you ask me.

Now how they chose to put it together, yeah that's a steaming pile of dumpster fire if you ask me (granted I haven't taken apart a tmc yet but my understanding is it's very similar to the tipx breakdown)

It has to be fully assembled in order to gas it up which means finding the leak is an exercise in guess and check

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You sure you're not thinking of the TCR?
That's the little Roni Carbine-lookin thing that used blowforward TipX guts (mostly), was first strike capable out of the box, and had a little doofy stock.




The TMC, on the other hand, is a blowback, though a little smaller overall than an M98 because it uses the Cronus/FT-12 trigger linkage bar.