Yearly Visit to the Paintball Field - ended up sitting myself out.

[Cdn_Cuda]

Made my yearly trip to the paintball field. Brought one of my cousins’ kids with me. Got to try out a bunch of markers I haven’t played with before.

Day was going pretty well until the afternoon and so ended up sitting myself out for the afternoon. Went to bunker a guy, called mercy and had him dead to rights and he turned and shot me point blank in the mouth. Fat lip, spitting paint. Was very unhappy with the guy.

He’s a field regular and plays pump. He comes up after the game and goes “I don’t play mercy rules. You run up on me and I’ll shoot you.” Can’t say that helped the situation as I was already choked. Decided to call it a day as I could have handled it a bit better and didn’t want it to escalate.

Both the ref and the field manager were fine with it as well. I apologized to the ref and he said he didn’t see why I was upset. And every safety speech give after that the manager added you don’t need to accept a mercy and can just shoot the person instead. Great for a renters and beginners.

I miss the days of people playing with a little bit of class. This wasn’t speedball, but walk on with largely rentals. If he shot the kid I was with point blank like that it would have been worse. This is why I usually do a private group rental.

Otherwise things were good though. Played with some fun people, lent a birthday kid my Emek with a full hopper and let my pump to a kid with an electro (he loved the pump).

[WORR13]

hopefully that electro kid has a pump next time u see him

[XEMON]

Fields don't have the guts to kick crap people out (most of the field, there are very few exceptions) which breeds player that didn't used to exist. Some player will do anything knowing nothing will happen.
this is the reason I will not play at most of the fields in my area ..

Hope the kid had a good time 👍

[Cdn_Cuda]

The ref threatened to kick me out for saying the guy was lucky I didn’t slug him… but I’m not a regular. Definitely be looking at other fields (there aren’t many unfortunately) when I run private booking.

And kid had a great time. He happily played 2-3 more games before we left.

[Chuck E Ducky]

Kind of got to expect that if there is a no mercy rule.

He shoot you a bunch of times or just one?

[Cdn_Cuda]

Just once, he was playing with a T2.

[Chuck E Ducky]

I wouldn’t take it personal. He was playing within the rules. Was it a dick move probably. But if he has experience playing any of the new formats other then rec woods it’s hard to turn that competitive play off. Did you at least shoot him back?

[Cdn_Cuda]

Speedball fields are completely separate from the woodsball. He appears to just play rec and not speedball. And no, I did not shoot him back.

[Mps18]

People get mad when I shoot them once and call them out saying it didn'tbreak when I sneak on them,I could easily overshoot next time but I think some players take it a little tooooooo seriously. I never mercy anyone I just shoot their pods.

[SuperAtomic]

That's a bummer. Did they have a mandatory surrender rule?

At the field I used to play at their rule was that you had to ask for a surrender if you get the drop on them within 20 feet, but they don't have to accept. It's not a great system because it just means if you bunker or sneak up on someone you have to put yourself at a pretty big disadvantage.

Most of the regulars had an unspoken agreement that they would never surrender so there was no point in asking. It was hard for a player who was new to the field to know that though.

[Cdn_Cuda]

Might be a similar thing here, but I’m not a regular and don’t know the guy at al and we’re playing with renters. Even if the guy came up and said sorry for the shot would have been okay. Instead he, in my view, continued to be an ass.

No point in having a mercy rule at all if people don’t take it, just leads to problems. Was tempted to grab my Emek for the next round and bunker him again without the mercy, but he probably would have escalated things unnecessarily.

Clearly the rules I am used to playing aren’t followed anymore. I won’t shoot someone close range on rec game, be it owner or renter as sometimes you don’t know who is behind the bunker. It’s just not necessary.

I was on him with less than 10 feet distance, dead to rights. It was a respawn game anyways, so take the mercy and get back into the game. His teammate behind him would have eliminated me anyways.

[William the Third]

At my local field, the field I help run, we used to be optional surrender when with-in 20 feet behind someone. They had the option to refuse, and if so, you were free to shoot them. A number of years ago (like 5+) we changed it to a mandatory surrender, just to avoid problems like Cdn_Cuda had. Some people take rec ball way too seriously, and can ruin it for everyone else.

[Meleager7]

Keep playing your Gentleman's style of using the mercy rule, BUT next time prepare for the player to not acknowledge, and be ready to let him have it! You sound like a guy who'll shoot for the pack, or vest if you can anyway. And tuck that chin down on the next bunker attack man !

[WORR13]

my local field and most fields ive been to have some kind of surrender rule or some kind of no shoot rule within 10 feet. strange they dont

[Cdn_Cuda]

This was always the rules at the old fields I played at. And rentals are by far their biggest customers.

[WORR13]

keeps people from getting hurt and makes the game more fun and fair. sounds like the field owner and refs dont understand this

[Toestr]

Ya it sucks. What is the rule there as it was explained to you? The local field says you must offer if you're within 25' and unknown but you don't have to accept and should be ready to shoot if needed. Same situation as others have said; if you're a regular you shouldn't expect it to be offered.

Personally, as long as he only put one ball into me I wouldn't really fault him (I'd still be mad as hell initially though). You obviously didn't have him as dead to rights as you thought. I do see your point with having younger rentals there though.

As a former ref I am sad to say that the two main reasons I didn't take action against asshole players were:
a) I was not confident that management would have my back
b) It's incredibly intimidating as a teenager to confront the kind of grown ass man who acts like a dick in recball

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[Cdn_Cuda]

Problem with guys not agreeing to surrender is how do you know until they shoot you? Is the guy turning to say nice move or to shoot you? Can’t tell in a split second (or at least I can’t). It just doesn’t work. It has to be all or nothing. And really, why is it so bad just to accept it?! I’ve been on the other end of it and will alway take the mercy if someone gives it. They made a great move.

Clearly the field plays it as being optional, as I now know and won’t soon forget.

[RAZRBAKK]

I feel like had he shot you somewhere other than the face you may have taken it better. Pain makes it that much worse.

I had a similar experience at a big game earlier this year where I got hit at the exact angle of the vents in my Profiler. Took a big hit right to the mouth/nose. Really uncomfortable, and only made worse by the fact that I had already shot the guy who did it. Called myself out and cooled off. Must have been blowing paint out of my nose for the next hour.

You did the moral thing in extending the mercy, and then not shooting back. It's entirely on the field for not really having a mercy rule. Definitely something I think should be present for any game with renters.

[Cdn_Cuda]

Very true, even a lens hit would have been better. Still would have been pissed though. But spitting paint shells is never enjoyable.

[Ecapnation]

Surrender rules create more issues then solve them....

Sorry but if the field doesn't have a mercy or surrender rule clearly stated I'm doing the same thing he did. If it's a regular player.

If I had a dollar for everytime a surrender ended up with players arguing with refs and created an on field problem I could buy every member a new gun.

[Walker]

I take the surrender when offered, as long as they have a clear shot.... If they are good enough to get that close, and I didn't see them, they deserve it.

If we are trading shots, and are that close, they can offer all they want, but they will be ignored.

If there is a surrender rule in play, I offer a surrender and inform them that they must put their gun in the air, holler "I surrender", and walk away. If they turn towards me in any way, they get shot, never in the head.... And a lot of times I walk out with them, just to make sure there are no hard feelings.

[Cdn_Cuda]

This is a good way to do things. I was clear right to and over his bunker, he was looking to the side and he never fired a shot until after I called. I only surrender a person when it’s clear I am on top of them. And fully agree any exchange of fire and there’s no mercy call. It’s only when you surprise someone.

[Siress]

This works well in a slow paced game where it's safe to give you time to decide if I have a clear shot or not. In a fast paced game, there's no time to waste. I try to plant one on the pack or something hard and move on. Personally, I always liked the 'barrel tag' method. If tapped with someone's barrel, it's mandatory surrender. I also understand why that went away - but aside from people abusing it, it was highly effective and really made for some fun moments. There's really no room for a surrender rule that puts me at a disadvantage. What's the point? If it hurts too much, play low impact paintball. If it's a safety risk, the arbiters didn't agree. If it turns people off from the sport, ask them to start with low impact paintball instead. If it's a "jerk move", I question your logic. Being upset/offended/offput doesn't make the opposing party a jerk. It may just mean you're rationalizing an unintended consequence of your actions.

[Jonnydread]

Because of experiences like yours, I only offer surrender to rentals. If I get the drop on someone completely, like walk up right behind them with them completely unaware, I offer it, but I’ve found it creates less drama to back up and shoot them in the pack/shoe/bum. If you own your own equipment and play with any level of aggression or assertiveness I’m going to assume you are mature enough to handle a single (or double if the paint in bouncy) shot in closer ranges.

There are exceptions. If I’m playing with any of my stock class/limited paint peeps I’ll surrender any of them with reckless glee (and get shot in the process no doubt).

[Chuck E Ducky]

It’s better when you gently stroke there back and whisper in there ear “Hayyyy Buddy Your out” right Packers…..

[Riot]

Note: I’ll always take the surrender. Ty.
Carry on.

[Impactfour]

That's frustrating. I had a similar experience last season, but with a rental player who thought he was hot shit. I went to surrender him when he was inside a building and got shot from about 5 feet away. I chalked it up to ignorance, and explained the surrender rule Warzone uses to him. Literally the very next game the same situation arose and he shot me in the throat from a distance I could've reached out an touched him.

I'm in gonna lie, I almost lost my cool. I yelled at the guy, grabbed the ref and explained the situation. The temptation to bonus ball him was there all day, I'm proud that I didn't though.

[Jonnydread]

You’re a better man than I.

[Impactfour]

I think it was mostly circumstance. My fiancee was there helping me to calm down, and my phantom doesn't bonus ball half as well as my ion did in the old tournament days.

[Diesel imp]

Sir,
you should hold your head high and receive many accolades for your sportsmanship.
His actions while may have been well inside of the fields playing rules, was classless to say the least.
Point blank shots never warrant above the shoulder shots, torso or lower only.
Myself, and I have been in similar situations, would have been to reek havoc on some Muppets, such as that player, refs, field owner. But then again I am a hot headed kraut

[lew]

Were the rules- to include mercy- explained clearly sometime beforehand or not? If nothing was stated, I think you were in the wrong, Cdn, assuming that the your opponent would react the way you preferred.

I keep things simple and only offer surrender to little kids and obvious newbies. Anything more just adds unnecessary complication. Usually, I'm nice if I have the drop on someone. They'll get a shot in the pod pack, shoe, or hopper.