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    #16
    I always do a full tear down and rebuild on everything anyway. When you think about how long an "O" Ring was sitting on a shelf before it was placed in a marker, then how long it spent sitting inside the marker, then the somewhat extreme pressures and conditions a paintball "O" Ring is subjected too, it's not really surprising that they fail as often as they do.

    Add in a several thousand cycles through it, and then storing it in the garage, where there are usually some significant temperature and humidity swings, even the best gun is going to develop a leak eventually. I think the maximum expected shelf life of a Buna "O" Ring is only 15 years tops anyway in perfect conditions so if it's older then 2008 it's going to need to be replaced. You also have to think about how in 99% of field repairs, you only replace the problem "O" Ring, you aren't doing a full rebuild for a leaky ram, you just pop a new #010 in there and hope everything holds up well enough for you to make it through the day.

    A full rebuild as soon as it comes through the door just makes the most sense.

    One thing I have noticed though is that guns that get used more frequently tend to need their seals replaced less often. When it's just sitting there the rubber can dry out and becomes a lot more brittle. That's why I tend to rotate my collection, every gun needs to see at least a little bit of air and oil every 6 months or so, or it's going to probably need a seal.

    When buying used gear locally, always bring an air tank. When you show the Craig's list seller that his "LNIB" Impulse that has "only" seen 3 games does not in fact function at all, you can usually get them to drop a good chunk of change off the price. Smart sellers will either include a fresh rebuild kit with their guns or factor in the need for one into the price of the marker.

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    • Jonnydread

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      Totally with you on the guns being used = better. I try to rotate through my collection as much as possible to keep things dynamic. One of my old super stockers would get jealous if I didn't use her weekly and leak like a bastard the next time I aired her up.

    #17
    You see this? probably your best bang for your $ in paintball right now.

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      #18
      Wait, wait... there are guns out there... that you don't have to fix?

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      • Cdn_Cuda

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        I like to buy ones that take myself and the collective knowledge of MCB to get to work properly!

      #20
      I expect paintball equipment to be over represented and under delivered during any of my on-line purchases unless I personally know the individual. Almost all of my used purchases I do a full tear down, inspect, clean and rebuild (Bearded Works is an exception ) before I do anything with them. I treat this sport just like I do used cars and trucks, I am buying someone else's problem and need to be aware there may be issues.


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        #21
        Originally posted by Grendel View Post
        I expect paintball equipment to be over represented and under delivered during any of my on-line purchases unless I personally know the individual. Almost all of my used purchases I do a full tear down, inspect, clean and rebuild (Bearded Works is an exception ) before I do anything with them. I treat this sport just like I do used cars and trucks, I am buying someone else's problem and need to be aware there may be issues.
        I treat used markers the same way. Everything gets torn down and inspected then rebuilt. I think your comment about buying someone elses problem is a good way to look at it. I take care and maintain my gear to a very high standard and never have problems with my gear. But others don’t treat their gear to my standards so there are usually problems that need to be addressed before they work well again.

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          #22
          “It worked when I put it away” = “I aired it up and it leaked, but I want an out when you try it”

          “The guy I bought it from said it worked” = “my lemon can be your lemon”

          “works, but sold as-is” = “I patched this together but don’t know how long it will hold up”
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          • pirhana92
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            Bingo

          • Cdn_Cuda

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            The paintball equivalent of "Ran when parked!"

          #23
          Originally posted by autococker04 View Post
          “It worked when I put it away” = “I aired it up and it leaked, but I want an out when you try it”

          “The guy I bought it from said it worked” = “my lemon can be your lemon”

          “works, but sold as-is” = “I patched this together but don’t know how long it will hold up”
          I always feel stupid saying “I don’t have air to test it.” The truth is I’m too lazy to go to the store to get air to test it. However, I never sell anything knowingly broken under the guise of untested.
          I always buy under the assumption that “untested” equates to “needs rebuild” and hope others do the same, then, if the marker works minty, it’s a pleasant surprise.

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            #24
            there is a whole mentality with buying new, never doing maintenance, and then selling off.

            there is a whole financial aspect as well. not just in paintball but also in farming equipment. (cost of scheduled maintenance and repairs vs buying new, never doing any work to it, running it hard and putting it away wet, and then just selling it off for something new).

            when i 1st moved in i was pretty broke. didnt make much and all my $ went to the house. i had a cheap costco grill that i got new a dew years prior. treated it well and it was still garbage. Found a Weber on the side of the road as we were moving in and i scooped it up. again, it was never maintained and just left outside. never cleaned, didnt look like it was ever covered either.

            i grabbed it, replaced the damaged pieces, put an adjustable reg on it, swapped out the heat tents for ceramic tiles, switched to iron grates and polished it up. it gets wiped down after ever use, covered every night, and maintained every year.

            had it for 7 years now and its my favorite grill. still clean and shinny, the little rust on the frame hasnt gotten worse, and its a joy to cook on. the person that had it and could afford to simply replace it, most likely didnt appreciate it like i do. and thats kind of sad to me. it was just a throw-away thing to them and is cherished now by me.

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            • pirhana92
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              I have a brand new Weber kettle and a used Performer I found on facebook. The previous owner never took care of the Performer so I had a lot of work to do but now it's my favorite grill.

            #25
            Any time I buy anything over 10 years old I assume its broken and either do a full rebuild, or send it off to someone who will for me if I'm feeling rich, or its something I'm not gonna touch like an Angel or E-cocker. (I love using them, just hate working on them).

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            • pirhana92
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              Probably a good idea. I'll probably send my PM7 off to have the eyes fixed after this season and I'm gonna tear my GoG Enmey apart this week to fix the leak in the gripframe.
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