I would like to see fast turnaround games. Push the players a lil more so we can get a good amount of games in. Less chit chat more pew pew…
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Splat Action: Totally agree, it's like paying to play outlaw ball, absolute anarchy. It's rumored that they are moving to a new location, maybe a fresh start will be good.Originally posted by Trbo323 View Post
Impact: average age of the staff is like 16 y/o. They either get pushed around by adult players or are goofing off. Field and facility maintenance could use some work. I haven't had hydro on my tanks checked ever in the last 7ish years, and chronoing is done on the honor system. The players on the turf speed ball field are often left to govern themselves, running points and self reffing.
Super Game at Sniperz Den: always a blast, might be carried by the festival aspect and the copious amounts of alcohol. I agree, the event does keep a good population of tanks in our area in hydro, I know we do a big round up of tanks from friends who pretty much only play super game to make sure everyone is good.
EV: only played at the indoor field. The floor substrate was like hamster shavings and toothpaste and there were not enough bunkers to play a game where everyone wasn't double or tripped up.
Royal Ridges: nice little facility, good for a quiet, friendly day of paintball. They treat the field as always hot, but for not have hydro or fps checked ever. Super fun woods ball.
Diamond Hill: great place to play speed ball, have only been here in tournament settings.Comment
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It's an X-Ball thing.Originally posted by Trbo323 View Post
X-Ball took over speedball and speedball is the paintball community that did that best job of carving out a spot for itself at paintball fields. X-Ball involves many, rapid-fire points, so players are expected to take responsibility for filling their own tanks between points. This normalized players filling their own tanks, and once players realized how much better that was than getting in line with rentals, it became something they demanded.
I think the best compromise is a colored band added to a tank when an employee checks it in the morning and then rotate the color every month.Comment
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Some fields use color zip ties with the same method. Fields that are geared toward a lot of rental groups often have an employee fill HPA tanks. But from what I have seen most allow self fill 90% of the time. My local has rentals hand their markers off. But regulars can walk in and self fill. So as long as you’re ok with filling your own tank you don’t have to wait in line. 1 whip for employee fill 1 for regulars. They also have a dedicated 3k whip that never has a line. Something I love especially with my lil 9ci tank on my Phantom. Quick pit stop charge and I’m ready for another few points.
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Actual bathrooms with toilets and running water in sinks.Comment
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Let’s see… My local field has a full bar restaurant, flush toilets, and a chair lift…
so, I guess… I could an HJ after each elimination.
I also wouldn’t mind some more cracks the bunkers on days that Jonny plays.Comment
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Glad the big games still check tanks. And yeah, agreed on the not-checking-hydro thing. As someone who watched a C02 tank catastrophically fail way back in the 90s, I'm a little paranoid about gas bottles.Originally posted by Trbo323 View Post
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Being in NH I'm spoiled. My local fields AG & Osg have great staff, great fields and are always working on their fields. They both have restaurant/Bars. They both have several types of paint to choose from most of the time.
Only thing that would be cool is to move some building around. BUT they are permeant and cant be moved so i understand.
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I live it CT and have been wanting to check out AG. Is it worth the 2 hour drive?Originally posted by cougar20th View Post
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Could try a little harder spraying for posion ivy and pulling out sticker burr bushes.
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- Carry no more than 3 lines of paint. One for low pressure markers, one for high pressure and/or magfed markers, a MAYBE something really cheap for target drills, but only if they can find something accurate and only if they're catering to a serious speedball crowd. Otherwise, just have something that EMEKs and gentler can use, and then something that will survive in a magazine. Everyone wants their paint to be accurate and just durable enough to survive until it exits the muzzle, so find the best paint that can be sold at a reasonable price for those two categories. Then price them exactly the same so there is no incentive to injure people more than necessary to save a couple dollars (buying extra hard paint to save money is fine, as long as you are only shooting yourself with it.
If fields did this, then fields and paint companies will lose customer confusion as a tool and we could actually push for better paint.
Oh yeah, and institute quality control for paint. When a paint salesman sells a field on a line of paint, it would be really nice if a field actually put some effort into ensuring that the paint stayed the same over time. Weigh 10 balls from the first batch, publish the results, and then repeat with every skid. If the weight ever goes down, let the manufacturer know they sent the wrong paint. Withold payment and if they can't send the paint that you agreed on, publish the results for their new paint and switch brands. Here in the continental US, there are at least 4 different companies with separate supply chains that are happy to play against each other. Fields could stop paint companies from ratcheting down their paint quality with that one easy trick. Paint companies just managed to make being an idiot fashionable in paintball though, so its easy for them to get away with anything. - Separate groups better. Mixing everyone together and trying to distribute more skilled players evenly between teams is bad and has always been bad. If you have enough player for two groups, mixing everyone is stupid and lazy. Skilled players just dominate the field and decide the game between each other. Inexperienced players are just NPCs. The inexperienced players are unsatisfied because they didn't feel any agency, and experienced players are unsatisfied because, if they're decent people, they had to hold back the whole game so that they didn't destroy the 10 year-olds in rented jumpsuits with masks so oversized that they practically cam down to their waists. Sure, we can all make the best out of a situation like that, but outside of speedball, fields near me (Central Florida) just seem to lump everyone together for every game.
I want a place where a gear-owner with decent paintball skill can play aggressively without having to join an X-Ball team or make small children with rentals cry. - Introduce a format besides X-ball or anarchy. In Central Florida, the only options I'm aware of at our fields are NXL rules or anything goes as long as it's field paint and hopefully chrono'ed (although a lot of places here are awful about even chrono-ing). That means a magfed player, a pump player, a rental noob, and someone with 12 pods and a Mini-GS they just bought are all on the same field. The heavy shooter usually isn't good, but their gun still shapes the gameplay on the entire field if they are putting max effort into winning. A format as simple as "Hopper-ball plus mags and 10 rd tubes" would let fields accommodate anyone (Mini-GS guy still needs a game) but would eliminate dominance through volume from everyone's toolbox, since trying to hold a lane means you're dry on paint in less than 30 seconds)
- Eliminate sliding price scales for all paint. A bag of 500 should cost exactly 1/4 of a case of 2000. Reserving reasonable prices for cases just guarantees that gear owners are almost always shooting bad paint. We start every day with the leftovers from last time that have been soaking up moisture for weeks even if we did our best trying to store them and the paint we bought that day gets to age in the pits before we even get to it. I've given up on playing pump in Central Florida just because of the paint problem. Either of buy a bag of crap that doesn't shoot straight, or I have to gamble a small fortune on a case of something potentially good and then let half of it waste away into garbage before i can use it.
Paintballs are perishable. If you're in the paintball business and you try to push excess paint on people just so it can degrade in their trunk or home, you're bad for the world of paintball and shouldn't have a paintball business anymore. Let me buy a bag of 500 of the good stuff. If it's at least mediocre, I'll be back to buy another bag, and an admission, every week. I'm not gambling $70+ on a case of 2000 though when I know most of it will end up in the trash. I've got other options for my weekends, like Netflix or hamburgers. I'd rather play paintball, but not if I'm getting abused by an awful business. - Buy a rope or something and tie your refs to the fields (kidding, kinda). Have them start a new game after the last one ends with short, timed breaks for the fields, not the players. It's OK if people miss a game as long as you have lots of games. If you allow a ref to use discretion, any player with their act together who can get back to the field quickly with have to wait just a minute or two for another player that's on his way. Then another player. Then somehow we're getting less than 2 short games an hour, because the 3v3 that was ready to go a minute after the last game is now a 13v17 and people are starting the wander off while the ref tries to adjust.. If two people are ready, then it'll be a short game. All of the idiots on the sideline who are rolling around crying because no one waited for them will be ready for the next game now, which will happen quickly because small games go fast.
- Reverse the layouts of your "scenario" fields. In my area, the fields often have big, comfortable props on either end and then a wasteland of microscopic, 2-dimensional plywood boards. It seems like it's made for front players to shine, but in practice it usually means that anyone with a body weight and IQ both in the 3-digits won't move up for most of them game, but also can't hit anything due to the awful paint (I'm specifically thinking of Orlando Paintball now). The props are just sized in such a way on some fields that adult-sized players know that there's no way to contort their bodies where they're not still exposed on both sides, and you can't "live behind your gun" on both sides of a prop. The the big stuff in the middle and games will get a lot more dynamic, plus new players will actually have a good reason to move up.
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- Carry no more than 3 lines of paint. One for low pressure markers, one for high pressure and/or magfed markers, a MAYBE something really cheap for target drills, but only if they can find something accurate and only if they're catering to a serious speedball crowd. Otherwise, just have something that EMEKs and gentler can use, and then something that will survive in a magazine. Everyone wants their paint to be accurate and just durable enough to survive until it exits the muzzle, so find the best paint that can be sold at a reasonable price for those two categories. Then price them exactly the same so there is no incentive to injure people more than necessary to save a couple dollars (buying extra hard paint to save money is fine, as long as you are only shooting yourself with it.
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My local field changed ownership and solved a lot of its reffing and safety issues, but it is still a 30-year-old field that's never progressed beyond pallets and wire spools.
1) More stand-up barriers. I'm tall, out of shape and as I get older I'm less into crouching and kneeling. My legs are still recovering from OSG's new mounds field from 2 weekends ago and my local field has cover that is mostly that same height.
2) Interesting terrain.Comment
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