+/- regulator claims

[DocsMachine]

Almost all modern markers are now double-regulated.

The quality of the reg meant more under CO2, since the pressure on that would undergo wild swings- as the day warmed up or cooled off, depending on your rate of fire, etc.

But today, with much more stable compressed air, and pretty decent quality on-tank regs feeding pretty decent quality on-gun regs, basically the pressure consistency at the valve these days, is better than the quality of the paint. (As several have noted in this thread.)

Personally, just because I'm insatiably curious, I'd be interested to know how well a brand-new PE reg stacks up against, say, a well-cared-for early-run 2-liter, and how both compare to something like a Stabilizer (which is not exactly a cutting-edge regulator) but when you boil it down, it's almost irrelevant given the current paint quality.

Doc.

[Chuck E Ducky]

Yeah those things are annoying but they work well so I guess it really don’t matter.

[Brokeass_baller]

They're fast though. That's the one benefit of them. But I don't disagree.

[martix_agent]

Sadly, paint quality dictates mostly everything when it comes to efficiency quality.

[Tarsun2]

ahhh, i remember spending hours reading articles/threads about reg comparisons.

back when i was playing, ramp wasnt a thing. it was only semi auto and thats what everyone played with.

as markers got better and cheaper markers got electronic triggers, shot-to-shot drop down became an issue. when ramp hit the scene, it was all about recharge rates. good paint or not, if youre shooting faster than the reg can recharge, youre going to run into issues...

the name of the game is to take out as many variables as possible.

but now (and has been for some time) markers are all proprietary. so you really cant compare reg "x" on marker 1 to reg "y" on marker 2. everything is integrated in.

[MullerTime]

Yeah I agree with paint these days the main thing I look for when buying a new reg is how easy it is to rebuild and the availability of reg seats and rebuild kits. I think any decent reg will be consistent enough that it won't matter with today's paint.

[Trbo323]

Almost all modern markers are now double-regulated.

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Are you counting the tank reg as one? If not, this is a little dated. For cockers this is still true, if you want to say they are modern but other markers not so much.

PE has the LV, I think that's the only one in their lineup. They are much more focused on the gamma core which is all single regulation

Dye, the dsr? Maybe? I'm not positive there

Bob long vcom? Again. Maybe? I'm not positive but my gut says no.

That's all I can think of. I wouldn't be surprised if I missed one or two but it's a pretty short list these days



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[DocsMachine]

Are you counting the tank reg as one?

-Of course.

It boils down to the 'ratio'. Any single stage regulator (and the vast majority of them are) will see the output pressure rise as the supply pressure drops. As the supply pressure is part of the "spring" system that makes the regulator work, dropping that pressure is essentially the same as increasing the adjuster pressure- IE, the pressure rises.

The ratio is how much this happens- depending on the reg, the tank pressure could drop 50 psi and the output pressure rises 1 or 2.

That's the tank reg. With a second reg- whether a removable inline, or the on-gun/in-gun reg, the opposite happens- as the input pressure rises, the output drops. BUT... it also happens at about the same ratio- if the input rises 10psi, the output might drop half a pound.

We used to do this back in the say with things like a Female Stabilizer on a drop, and a make Stab in the foregrip position. But again, with the switchover to HPA, if the marker has its own regulator, it by definition is now double-regulated.

Yes, the main purpose of that reg may be to reduce the operating pressure to what the valve or engine needs, but it still gives you that second layer of regulation.

Doc.

[latches109]

Can we poke the reg flow rate bear on this thread. I’ve had some regs choke out a fast shooting pre2k with a small valve chamber and others like an aka 2-liter fix the shoot down. do people still consider flow and recharge when selecting a regulator?

[Brokeass_baller]

Can we poke the reg flow rate bear on this thread. I’ve had some regs choke out a fast shooting pre2k with a small valve chamber and others like an aka 2-liter fix the shoot down. do people still consider flow and recharge when selecting a regulator?

I don't. I go for style or convenience, or both. Unless I'm running a Unireg on an old Autococker or something, I pretty much just use CP regs anymore. They just always work, and parts are still available.

Otherwise, I use what the marker comes with. I keep the Hypers on my Dyes, use the stock eNMEy reg, stock Ion reg, etc.

[Jonnydread]

Can we poke the reg flow rate bear on this thread. I’ve had some regs choke out a fast shooting pre2k with a small valve chamber and others like an aka 2-liter fix the shoot down. do people still consider flow and recharge when selecting a regulator?

The only gun I have that shoots fast enough to consider something flow/recharge doesn't use a standard reg (Gtek/Gmek).

[uv_halo]

Any reg manufacturer is referencing an FPS in their performance metric is straight up full of s**t, and would be off my consideration for a product.
Reg manufactures can and should get into things like shot-to-shot PSI consistency, recharge rate, etc.

[Trbo323]

I don't. I go for style or convenience, or both. Unless I'm running a Unireg on an old Autococker or something, I pretty much just use CP regs anymore. They just always work, and parts are still available.

Otherwise, I use what the marker comes with. I keep the Hypers on my Dyes, use the stock eNMEy reg, stock Ion reg, etc.

Same here as well. Any modern reg has a flow rate that's fine for 99% of the applications you will run into.

If it's a choice I'm using cp or the shockteck reg that's the same internals as a cp. They are easy to maintain, put together intelligently, parts are easy to come by and cp is a stand up company.

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