Anyone else using pistol micro red dots on PB guns?

[russc]

Thought this turned out pretty cool and wanted to share. Turns out they make fairly low profile 3/8" dovetail adapters for pistol micro red dots! With this offset feed SC body, I can keep my regular open sight picture most of the time, but the red dot is just a tilt away if I want to post up on someone. Since it's a microdot, it doesn't throw off balance or take up too much room.

At some point I'm going to try milling an RF cocker body for the Burris mount to get the sight line nice and low like you see on a milled slide.

[Socalpumpballer]

I’ve seen Jack wada use pistol micro dots. I prefer the look of a big ol Tasco red dot though

[Snowpuff]

I use 20$ China red dots my whole life. But... I been looking into a 2500$ piece.....you gotta see this thing.. it's like cheating
https://youtu.be/mgvHQUhK_NY?si=5hFNz5EWYnDeaS8W

[$L!mBo]

that thing is crazy cool

[Chuck E Ducky]

I want one of those for my Mini14!

[markdem]

I find enclosed red dots have greater elevation adjustment than open red dots. Just a little tip in case anyone is deciding which red dot to use

[Ecapnation]

A very fake one yes... It's a knock off but functional

[Cyberpyr8]

I had a laser mounted to my Tippmann Cronus at one point. Generally it didn't really do much for me but if I was pointing into a dark doorway I could at least know the vicinity I was pointing at. It did scare the noobs in the staging area as I would point it at their shirts before we started and go "Yup, the laser shows up great on your shirt!". But as far as accuracy goes, paintballs are too inaccurate to really have sights be of any real value. I laugh when the military or police guys show up at the field bragging how accurate they are with real steel. They quickly realize it doesn't translate to paintball.

But yes, yours does look really cool.

[russc]

Guys…it’s paintball. You don’t need a sight because you can literally throw a paintball the same distance as the gun does.

So, I think it's interesting that this has been an axiom in paintball for a long time, yet real steel pistol shooters have gradually moved towards using red dots more and more. At action bay distances they are shooting more or less at the same distances as we shoot (or closer), so the accuracy of the respective platforms is essentially a non issue. They are getting tangible improvement in first hit accuracy, and speed of acquisition, and I think that can translate over to our game in certain situations.

ECAP has a good point in his comment above that with short, unsupported guns (i.e. pistols) a sight actually starts to make sense. If you don't have the extra point of contact with a stock, you easily lose your frame of reference for aiming by feel. You'll see them on plenty of old head stockgun setups.

Also for what it's worth, I always kept my dot sights dialed in for about 25-30 feet distance. Close enough where the spread doesn't really kick in, and you can guarantee first shot hits on elbows, hoppers, and through gaps. I actually became a dot sight user way back when because I was a kid on a budget...I had $20 to play a day. $5 gas, $5 entry, $10 for 100 paintballs. With 100 paintballs per day, aiming by walking my shots in was out of the question.

[Daltech]

As said previously, no offense, but you could just sit out a game or two and run paintball drills like in the old Oliver Lang DYE how-to videos and that would improve your snapshot and accuracy many levels above anything you could ever achieve with the wrong piece of equipment placed on the wrong piece of gear.

Being as that RDS is not calibrated or designed to go onto a paintball marker and that paintball marker has a rail slot only as a gimmick means any results you are getting come from simple coincidences.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-bA0fy-jm8U

[Daltech]

PE CS 3- no rail
PE 180R- no rail
LUXE TM40- no rail
DYE M3+- no rail
CCM T2- no rail
Shockteck Cocker- no rail

Anyone noticing a pattern?

[RAZRBAKK]

Yeah, they all have center feed feednecks.

[Daltech]

Dude put his on sideways though anyways…

[RAZRBAKK]

And it doesn't have a sight rail. Doesn't fit the pattern.

[Daltech]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u-sIrSmCHYk

[Drcemento]

Just cause comments don't always get seen I'll post here to:
100% disagree. After a few month detour into red dotless guns, centerfeed electros and even an automag RT, I can say I gave it an honest try. last Saturday I fielded an RF autococker build and mounted my trusty 20+ year old Adco mirage back on it, spent some time dialing it in for the case of graffiti i bought and my kill count went through the roof, and I was right back home where I needed to be, I had so much fun, used less paint and was smiling from ear to ear all day. Granted I've had an Adco on every, gun i've used for the last 30 years of play. you have to dial it in, and make a conscious effort to use it but once you get comfortable with it it becomes second nature and it can work wonders for you. Right feed for life!

[Grendel]

I have used Red Dots on and off for years and even keep a micro-red dot in my bag. While I used to keep one mounted on my Sniper I rarely turned it on unless I was trying for a shot through a small opening. I have used a red dot quite successfully for going against people using bunkers/windows statically especially in Big games or Scenarios. In particular they can be handy when playing on MOUT sites. Are they needed nope but they can be useful. They were way more useful when we were able to get better paint then we tend to get now one of the reasons none of my markers currently have a red-dot mounted.

[glaman5266]

"They were way more useful when we were able to get better paint then we tend to get now one of the reasons none of my markers currently have a red-dot mounted."

This is a good point. With good paint red dots & other sights would be much more useful. People also use them on First Strike setups & can pick people off fairly easily. Just need good paint again.

[RAZRBAKK]

This falls into the "If it works for you" category. I have never had much luck with sights, and I attribute that quite a bit to playing speedball for the first 5 years of my career.

I have messed around with ghost rings a little, but for me they only work best when mounted onto a rail on the body, and no on the feed-block like most are.

For me a sight is more of a reference point than anything else, and I have probably the same amount of luck with or without it.

[russc]

They were way more useful when we were able to get better paint then we tend to get now one of the reasons none of my markers currently have a red-dot mounted.

This is actually a big reason I had to start playing mech semi most of the time in rec (plus I'm worse than I was 15 years ago)

[Grendel]

Same I play mech fairly often now when for many years I was almost exclusively a pump player.

[russc]

Shorter guns are not as easy to point as longer ones, totally true, but the sight is useless on either of you’ve practiced with that gun enough. If you’re constantly making changes to the gun you’ll never master it but if you leave it alone you eventually will.

A short gun is one thing, a gun that doesn't have a tank or stock in your shoulder is another. Snap shooting is a hell of a lot harder with a pistol because you've got extra degrees of freedom. I've got plenty of guns I can shoot confidently like you're talking about - none of them are pistols.

I've also found it can be difficult to really nail the first shot after posting up, even if it's easy to make those shots while snapping. it's like inertial reference drift in a guidance computer - without a sight picture for reference, the barrel tip wanders off. Not as much of a problem on something like a RF sniper with a full length rail to look down, while very much a problem on a centerfeed.