Worr Machine AG- forgotten blowback(?) with a "pneumatically-assisted trigger"?

[The Inflicted]

A post on Reddit drew my attention to this thing.

I knew about the old WGP Worr Machine blowbacks and never thought much of them, but this thing seems VERY different.
The manual has a schematic but there's not a good indication of how the 3-way valve that appears to be behind the trigger works or what it does. There's an input regulator but the trigger valve taps off gas UPSTREAM of the reg?! More confusingly, the one Youtube video I was ale to find of one working shows it having a FASOR-like return spring in front of the bolt which isn't depicted in the manual, AND the bolt appears to be biased forward when degassed, which would be the opposite of how I know FASOR guns to behave. On top of that, it appears you can short-stroke the trigger, and all the dwell is mechanically set?
I'm totally baffled here.

According to the comments in the video the gun IS electric, contrary to the manual and diagram, and he says he's seen multiple variations of "solenoids" in the guns, so perhaps these are prototypes where they were going in a different direction than at first thought?

[RuleOfSines]

Interesting, so it actually does exist. I'm keeping my eyes out to try and get one.

[melenco4]

It does! It leaks but it does exist..lol

[glaman5266]

Huh. And I thought these were just a cheap Spyder clone.

[RuleOfSines]

For the most part, they are. I have a NIB one of the RG version, and on the back it hinted at the existence of an AG Air Assisted version.

[The Inflicted]

Huh. And I thought these were just a cheap Spyder clone.

Most of them were.

https://www.reddit.com/r/paintball/c...body/#lightbox

[Ecapnation]

Huh! Welp now I want one

[William the Third]

The spring on the bolt is for the "Anti-Chop" bolt. The VL (Danger! Danger!) High Voltage used the same bolt.

Also, now I too want one.

[scottieb]

Danger! Danger! Lol

[Ecapnation]

Guys guess what....

MCB found their new trash holy Grail lol

[DarqSpark]

Let the fight commence.....

He has two for sale.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/356447301896?_skw=autococker+paintball+worr&itmmet a=01JP3VTS8C7Y8DGB5GCZMDY170&hash=item52fdea3108:g :vwMAAOSwDptnfl0F&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA0FkggFvd1GG Du0w3yXCmi1ekGqF1LtbXFPOh9B1Lqp4%2B4NZY6YV%2BAn%2F 0ureuDPCU8IHWPX9kVFGAQpidgEWwcF9DCynn6B3ezhILpJHkB BwjZ9fj7iUVSMF%2Fc48bXUIp8sVg0K1DVRXwMKM09twXDwW7G vpN501ngWK5V1M2c0wg0h3rN%2FeJpUySrmPcKtka9v%2BXdRt lAwzMn9jh9V8DHNQ6gFLly2baGB5syJbxLchetu1BVLYs%2FJw 9x9RH62I1d5gB0289tRuR7SUEhWuBweo%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR5 6V6_uwZQ

[The Inflicted]

Let the fight commence.....
https://www.ebay.com/itm/35644730189...Bk9SR56V6_uwZQ

That's just the standard sear-tripping mechanical blowback one. Nothing interesting there.

[DarqSpark]

That's just the standard sear-tripping mechanical blowback one. Nothing interesting there.

Ahh, I see. I should have read through your original post more thoroughly. My apologies.

[Ecapnation]

Ahh, I see. I should have read through your original post more thoroughly. My apologies.

Womp womp womp

[Painthappy]

Hmm... I have an RG. I don't see that on the list.

[William the Third]

The RG stood for "Really Good", like with Windows RG.

[The Inflicted]

Hmm... I have an RG. I don't see that on the list.

That's the mechanical sear-tripper version but with a regulator, right?

[Painthappy]

That's the mechanical sear-tripper version but with a regulator, right?

I'm guess so. It has the regulator, but still in the packaging. Got it on some trade with with a bunch of spyder type guns.

[The Inflicted]

So watching the video again, I can't help but wonder if the owner/narrator is giving out incorrect information a lot of the time. He says that "you don't have to cock it, once you put air to it it's cocked..." implying that the resting position of the bolt/ram is forward until given air, but you can't see the bolt move to a rearward position when the gas source is engaged. If William the Third is correct and that's just an anti-jam bolt and the spring in the upper tube has nothing to do with the operating mechanism of the gun, it could be that it really is just a traditional blowback from the grip frame up. I've never worked on one of the old Trilogy SF 'cockers, but my understanding of how they work is that the solenoid doesn't directly act on the sear or ram, but instead is basically a pilot valve for a secondary ram in the grip frame which "pulls the trigger" in place of the user as in a normal 'cocker. The AG might be doing something similar- the trigger is acting as a pilot valve for a small pneumatic system which trips the forward sear in the grip frame, not unlike an electronic blowback. Partially pulling the trigger might cause it to hiss, but unlike, say, an Emek there would be no way to short-stroke the gun because either the "slave" system lets go of the sear or it doesn't.

Also, I'm guessing that barrel-shaped component in bottom of the grip frame is the LPR.

The comments on the video are further confusing because of the idiomatic practice in paintball to refer to any small pneumatic control valve as a "solenoid" whether it's electronic or not.

[Psycho91]

You are correct about the SF trilogy it is electric but it uses air to actuate the sear

[melenco4]

Of sorts, it allows air to go into the round tube at the bottom and lets you adjust how much air the trigger gets. It has a small seat inside there, I tried to message you, but since I'm new .. that's not allowed