Shooting through a break

[snoopay700]

I was assuming the occasional break, not a chronic setup. Getting the odd ball that is already 0.060" out of round or otherwise previously flawed. Depending on the marker, paint near the bolt face promotes higher friction and higher ball pressure. Different source of the same problem. So yeah, of the setup was on the edge, lightening the forces would help.

Paint quality helps as always. I'm glad I don't have to put up with winter paint much.

Barrel breaks due to paint flaws are exceedingly rare. Simon tried to get a barrel break on high speed to try to get to what causes them, and had a hell of a time because the loading system he used didn't cause fractures that often. There's a higher likelihood that the shell got pre-fractured from the loading mechanism. It doesn't need to be a consistent issue, but a loading system working perfectly every time is hard to do. Sometimes they're caused by paint flaws, but they're usually due to something going wrong in the loading of the ball.

Either way, your original statement that the paint was "too fragile for the bore in the first place" was what I was commenting on. Underboring has been shown to not break any more paint than overboring time after time. The way the paintball gets loaded from an underbore, combined with my previous statement that you would be hard pressed to underbore more than 10 thousandths of an inch, the paint simply isn't ever too fragile for the bore.

[Chuck E Ducky]

I agree Most bad paint breaks in the pods before the marker

[lew]

Yeah, it breaks in the pod if you load 'em like a monkey, ya goon.

I've never had a break in a pod, regardless of how it shot through the gun.

[BrickHaus]

Ive taken good pod hits that made soup outta the paint inside. Didnt realize it right away either and ended up pulling it in a good battle towards the end of a scenario. This is a big reason I dont use Lock Lids ne more. I like them functionally, but the thin walls dont do you any favors if they take hits.

[Spider!]

flyweightnate, we could add some memory foam to the lid and/or bottom. I had some padding in a pod once for some super crappy paint, but the paint broke anyway and filled the pad. As long as they are cleanable/replaceable, it makes sense. Doesn't have to be thick. I would bump an exposed web.

[spikeball]

I've also searched for the cause of breaks and have certainly experienced both barrel breaks and breech. The barrel breaks from what I can gather are because I've underbored and I just happen to get that odd shaped ball. Underboring only really happens when I play pump though. I usually have the time to stop and clean it out on the field with that style of play. But I do agree that the balls that are compromised have had something happen to them before getting into the marker either by going really out of round or actually having a fracture in the shell. Would be really curious to see Simon's footage though.

The reason I asked this question is because I'm on a team for the 2021 season and I haven't played tournament speedball in a really long time. The last time I did I was shooting a BKO and a tricked out Piranha EVO if that puts things into perspective. Anyway, the other fold to this discussion is because I'm looking at barrel options for my team gun. I've got a .688 barrel which shoots pretty well but ultimately was wondering if a smaller bore would even be worthwhile and its effects with dealing with breaks on the field.

[MrKittyCatMeowFace]

Maybe im dumb to some of yall. Unless paint is really consistently breaking, I always take my barrel off and squeegee it clean. No point shooting paint if I can't tell where its gonna go. Usually not a big issue with my gear unless the paint is bad.

[snoopay700]

I've also searched for the cause of breaks and have certainly experienced both barrel breaks and breech. The barrel breaks from what I can gather are because I've underbored and I just happen to get that odd shaped ball. Underboring only really happens when I play pump though. I usually have the time to stop and clean it out on the field with that style of play. But I do agree that the balls that are compromised have had something happen to them before getting into the marker either by going really out of round or actually having a fracture in the shell. Would be really curious to see Simon's footage though.

The reason I asked this question is because I'm on a team for the 2021 season and I haven't played tournament speedball in a really long time. The last time I did I was shooting a BKO and a tricked out Piranha EVO if that puts things into perspective. Anyway, the other fold to this discussion is because I'm looking at barrel options for my team gun. I've got a .688 barrel which shoots pretty well but ultimately was wondering if a smaller bore would even be worthwhile and its effects with dealing with breaks on the field.

Prefractured balls tend to cause barrel breaks rather than breech breaks. Breech would typically be considered a chop.

Here is Simon’s footage:

https://youtu.be/mAhEWYN5qGg

The experiments from Cockerpunk have shown that a 3-5 thou underbore tends to be ideal (smaller, like 10 thou, and you don’t break more paint, but your accuracy drops).

What I would recommend would be to crack a ball, put it in an underbored barrel, shoot it out, take it off to ensure it’s a barrel break, then just try shooting paint through and see how you like the results.

Try the same with an overbore. Also try it with a bore chosen by blow testing. Ideally you’d be able to measure the change, but you can just watch the ball’s flight and check the barrels after X number of shots to see if it’s cleaned to your liking.

[spikeball]

Science! I like it. Good idea. Gonna have to try it when I get some practice in.

[russc]

At the point you are already unscrewing a barrel for a pull through, I wonder if it makes more sense to just bring a second barrel.

[spikeball]

We might have another use for our 10 round tube holders now!

[Roger7pball]

Straight shot squeegees have worked for me for 22 years. No need to remove barrel.

[russc]

I've always found the length of straight shots to be annoying while playing. Wookiee Dicks have been my go-to because they fold up and pack away.

[Roger7pball]

Mine lives next to my right most pod on my pack. Never really had an issue but different strokes for different folks.

I like not removing barrel, pushing cloth end til the rubber folds back, and jamming it up the barrel, then pulling all the paint out.

[Spider!]

Maybe im dumb to some of yall. Unless paint is really consistently breaking, I always take my barrel off and squeegee it clean. No point shooting paint if I can't tell where its gonna go. Usually not a big issue with my gear unless the paint is bad.

I think the op was assuming you get a break for whatever reason in a game and don't have time to squeegee in your present position.

A tighter bore will let the next ball wipe out more paint, but there's no physical way that introducing fluid in a tight bore will not raise the stresses on the next ball. So the answer naturally wanders off into why the first ball broke. As Simon pointed out, it's a combination of many factors.