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Umarex to make a 68 caliber, 5-shot revolver- HDR-68

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    #91
    I wanted to share some pics of a possible paint breakage fix I'm testing for Part-time Tech
    This is a 3D-printed TPU detent replacement that seeks to stop the bolt from breaking paint at the moment of firing. Tech's initial thought was that by using the rounded, flexible detent arcs you could ensure that each ball is positioned as far back as possible, in the hopes that the bolt will be moving slower when it first makes contact with the ball, and that ball and bolt would move together for a short distance before it's shot. I've tried using them in a different way and nestled the balls as far forward as possible in an attempt to prevent the bolt from contacting them at all. My results have been mixed- no improvement with larger ~.684 GI paint but maybe around 50% breakage with some smaller .678 Empire paint. Certainly not enough to make the gun usable, but maybe an indication he's been on the right track.

    Installing the detent inserts is not trivial- the hand sprocket and factory detent insert must be pried out and then each detent channel extended all the way back with a hobby knife, which isn't particularly easy given the tight confines of the cylinders.

    Anyway, still working with this in the hopes of fixing the design. I do wonder if what would be more effective are cylinder cups that would hold the paintballs farther forward and out of reach of the bolt but I'm not even clear on how far forward the bolt intrudes into the cylinder wells during each cycle. Does anyone know?











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    • XEMON

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      I like the idea.
      I can measure how far it poke out this we if you need.

      Has anyone access to a cad of the cylinder?

    • BrickHaus

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      Looking forward to seeing more progress, but I stumbled upon a file on thingiverse the other day. Someone designed these mags with oring detents the only killer is they modeled the ratchet teeth into them, so they have a short lifespan. Maybe we should remix the cylinders to simply take the metal ratchet parts from a factory cylinder.

    • BrickHaus

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      This remix adds a 52mmx1.5mm oring detent for players still using ball. Still a work in progress. No print settings as of yet. Due to tinkercad issue, do not download yet. Many thanks to the original designerhttps://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5527569



      Edit, that's a remixed version of a more complete file without the o rings we should be able to make magic.

    #92
    I forgot all about this project. Probably about a year ago i made these spacers that go in the cylinder to eliminate alot of the "rollback" that these guns have. These inserts fly out with the ball but either tumble a few feet or spin off to the side. I didn't record any sort of testing but it did seem to reduce breaks at ~270 fps

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    • TKcustoms

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      I've used it at 3 so far but I could see some fields not allowing it.

    • Chuck E Ducky

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      Could you Epoxy it in?

    • TKcustoms

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      Maybe I don't understand but Wouldn't the bolt smash into the epoxied face and either destroy the cylinder or not fully cycle?

    #93
    Originally posted by TKcustoms View Post
    I forgot all about this project. Probably about a year ago i made these spacers that go in the cylinder to eliminate alot of the "rollback" that these guns have. These inserts fly out with the ball but either tumble a few feet or spin off to the side. I didn't record any sort of testing but it did seem to reduce breaks at ~270 fps
    That's kind of what I'm envisioning, but with these discs permanently glued into the cylinder wells to act as spacers and protect the ball from the bolt. The real question is how far into the cylinder does the bolt intrude, because if it's so far that there's not space for a ball to escape crushing, this isn't going to work.

    Originally posted by XEMON
    I doubt field would allow you to add stuff that get shot out (I don't think insurance would cover them) but it's a good proof of concept and might be able to get integrated in the cylinder?
    I've tried using little tuffs of tissue paper stuffed into the cylinder ahead of the balls if the discs would be an issue, though not with particularly encouraging results- the balls still get broken.
    This had been useful with my Sellswords .50 revolver to keep the balls from falling out of the cylinder prior to being loaded, and definitely needed to pack the balls into the various NERF revolvers I've tried using with .50 paintballs.

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    • Number six
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      Is there a picture of the bolt itself somewhere?

    #94
    The Inflicted i can check in a few hours but i think it's completely through the cylinder.

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    • William the Third

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      It is nearly completely through the cylinder.

    #95
    Originally posted by TKcustoms View Post
    The Inflicted i can check in a few hours but i think it's completely through the cylinder.
    Ah. My only frame of reference was the 3357, where there's almost no cylinder intrusion.

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      #96
      Been wanting one of these but it seems like they are just blenders, are they usable at all?

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      • Ecapnation

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        Shooting first strike only out of mine... I break one here and there but I usually attest it to very old first strike rounds. They break in my mg100 as well.

        Never shot regular paint

      #97
      Originally posted by Psycho91 View Post
      Been wanting one of these but it seems like they are just blenders, are they usable at all?
      Unless some fix is found, total blenders.
      Mine typically breaks 19 balls out of 20.

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      • BrickHaus

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        Mine hasn't been that bad. Maybe one out of each 5 in a cylinder.

      • poohead
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        That's too bad. I really wanted these to work good.

      #98
      Anybody figure out how to make it shoot near 280? At supergame and it shooting FS at 170 sucks

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        #99
        ODST101i can only get 1 shot at 270 before it drops to 220. I drilled out the volume restrictor thing to do that.

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          so I was poking around on MCS today, and I see they made a design change on these magazines. Not only does it offer an airsoft conversaion utility, but it also adds a potential venturi for the balls?

          Has anyone purchased these ones yet?
          HDR 68 TR 68 Revolver 6mm BB/Paintball cylinder/magazine, boasting a 50-round capacity. This versatile cylinder/magazine is designed for use with airsoft 6mm BBs or 6mm paintballs. With the capability to shoot 10 rounds per shot, it enhances your airsoft or paintball experience when paired with the HDR68 Paintball Revolver. Ideal for enthusiasts seeking reliable and efficient ammunition storage for intense gameplay.Note: You will need to transfer the metal cylinder/magazine gear from your standard magazine. Feature:- Load 6mm airsoft bb or 6mm airsoft paintball- 50 rounds capacity- Shoots 10 rounds for shot Shooting with 7.5 Joules HDR68:Velocity:  +/- 150-200 FPSRange: 30-50feet Shooting with 16 Joules HDR68:-Velocity: +/- 250-300FPS-Range: 30-50feet   Compatible To:T4E HDR 68 RevolverT4E TR 68 Revolver      
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          • BrickHaus

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            gah, nevermind its for 6mm balls. i thought a ball would cradle. in there..

          Hi nice People of this Forum!
          Does anyone here know why Umarex offer, sell the same Marker as PS-110 in Gray?
          I own one honnestly I also own the big one as "PS" in Gray to. For me the Gray is more sexy than the Black one.
          It seem the Gray "PS" Series is quite a "Mistery" Product since the not show up on the offical (German) Website.
          Thanks

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            Just at a guess it's just a product code for the grey one. I'm not seeing any differences otherwise. The normal one is 16 joules, so is the grey one

            Although! If you want to use it for self defense you can get the awesome less than 7.5 joule orange one! I'm sure it's very powerful!

            Next Level Home Defense - The HDR 68 combines the P2P series' most powerful caliber with reliable CO₂ technology in a powerful revolver for effective home defense. Bigger and stronger, the Home Defense Revolver 68 uses the proven features of the HDR 50. The rotary magazine holds five rounds of the powerful .68 caliber. A light blow at the bottom suffices to pierce the propelling 12 g CO₂ capsule, and the optical and tactile pressure indicator will show that you’re ready to fire. Thus the HDR 68 is ready to use at any time and has a full capsule when you need it. The textured frame surfaces give you a secure grip even in stress situations, and a trigger safety prevents accidental firing if you should ever drop the gun. The 170 mm barrel provides the HDR 68 with additional precision reserves - not least due to the long sight line and the Picatinny rails for mounting accessories such as optics. The eye-catching and characteristic color scheme serves to clearly identify them as non-lethal protective weapons. Used internationally, it signals a non-lethal defensive intent to potential aggressors and as a result has a de-escalating effect. As ammunition, the user can choose from the full range of P2P ammunition including Precisionballs in .68 caliber.


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              If you want to use it for self defense you can get the awesome less than 7.5 joule orange one!
              Why the (gross) Orange one when I can legally can own in my Country the 16J (you mention) and my big one is going up to 40J with the fat Co2 Cylinder.

              A German Company offer accessorys like replacement Barrels and other replacement Parts. Is is worth to exchange anything inside? What I understand by change anything who is related to the Co2 system bring more power first but since much more Gas is vented out the Pressure goes down rapidly. The only things who seem to be worth are where the Co2 loss is be brining down to an minimum.

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                Originally posted by yb3duLmNvbS8vZm9ydW0vcGF View Post
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                is worth to exchange anything inside? .
                That really just depends on what you are trying to do.

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                  That really just depends on what you are trying to do.
                  What I heard it called "blinking". Just shoot on Targets around our House to practise Target Shooting.

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