Immortal Air - Another new small 4500psi Air tank

[Cdn_Cuda]

Inception Designs has new small pump/magfed tank to compete with the First Strike ones.

15ci/4500 output pressure of 430psi (according to email)

https://www.inceptiondesigns.com/product_p/s-slf-1545-xlp.htm

More choices hopefully brings the price down a bit on these.

[Toestr]

I believe these came out right after the FS ones did. Good to see a decent reg on one.

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[Chuck E Ducky]

The FS reg isn’t all that bad. It’s got a cool collar on it that allows you to adjust it for different markers. Function wise it’s a good consistent reg in a small package.

My issue with them is those fools used the wrong thread locker on there fill nipples so if you get bad air that toasts the sealing oring you are SOL. The fill nipple is not strong enough to take the torque it needs to break free from the locktite they use. It splits and cracks off at the base. Out come the easy outs. For a simple fill nipple. So good Reg but whoever put them together never wanted them to come apart.

[XEMON]

Dam $$$ ...

Do we still have to hydro these in the US or are they exempt?

[BrickHaus]

Yep, 5year hydro, no lifespan.

But its the same thing as the fs bottles. Shame IA isn't delving into the 17ci bottle.

[William the Third]

Really, there is debate over if the 2"x2' rule applies to all tanks, or just aluminum, all metal, or ??? tanks. The way it is written, it really does appear to apply to all tanks. First Strike have labeled their mini-tank with "5 Year Hydro", but that could have just been done out of an abundance of caution. When a fellow MCBer contacted the DOT for clarification, they never got a reply.

[Grendel]

Willian the Third I did get a response from DOT on clarification but did not post it because it did not really answer the question beyond that the statement - "Any cylinder not exceeding 2 inches outside diameter and less then 2 feet in length is excepted from volumetric expansion test" is that statement only applies to the Specifications listed in the table. They did not clarify if Table 1 applied to fiber wrapped bottles at all or are covered under the Exemption or special permit section. So really did not get the answer are fiber wrapped bottles covered.

This might be a moot point anyway, as FS spent the time and money to get these ISO bottles listed and exempted by DOT [suspect Immortal Air's are the same] based on ISO testing and application to DOT] and the exemption letter for these particular bottles lists 5 yr inspection/hydro with unlimited life. I spent a good amount of time a Fulda Gap last November talking to FS about the hoops they had to go through to bring these bottles to US market.

[flyweightnate]

Are these regs adjustable?

[Grendel]

Preset capable of 430, 550, 850 and 1100 with changeable spring packs so not adjustable but changeable.

https://www.immortalair.com/product/aura-4500psi-regulator/

[flyweightnate]

Very good... as I don't think my Phantom would do well at 430psi.

[Mechstar]

Yeah, Immortal Air came out with this just after First Strike released theirs. The bottle itself is exactly the same. They sold out a while ago, but just got in a new supply, so that’s why they are showing up again.

Unfortunately I jumped on the FS one before the IA version came out. It was too short for my liking. The IA version would have been better matched the length of the 17/3000 tanks I had been using.
I was going to swap regs….then the FS 17/4500 came out, and yeah, it’s (almost) perfect for MY use (just a bit longer than I had hoped) and well worth the price (your mileage may vary).

Also FYI, Immortal air says they are not going to carry the 17/4500 bottle, so FS is the only US source for that size right now.

[djeclypse]

First Strike and Immortal Air are sourcing their tanks from the same manufacturer. The only difference is the outward visual design and the regs. Immortal Air is what used to be known as Air America IIRC and although I've never used either reg from immortal or FS, I have heard of issues with FS and the Immortal Aura, although very limited in production, I have read good things about. Tbh, I'd find out the manufacturer of the actual tanks and see if that can be sourced directly. Then add your own favorite reg.

[Grendel]

The problem with sourcing these yourself is you will need your own exception letter from DOT. The manufacturer produces them under ISO standards and each importer will need their own exception letter from DOT. This is why these bottles are so expensive this is not something that is cheap to do. Now if you could convince the manufacturer to build them with both ISO and DOT markings then things would be different but I doubt they will because it is more cost to them to build.

[djeclypse]

Also FYI, Immortal air says they are not going to carry the 17/4500 bottle, so FS is the only US source for that size right now.

The difference in length and capacity between the 13/15/17 seems negligible overall, and creates more of a niche product than a hobby-wide usable product. If they had a bigger spread between them, say a mini at 10ci, regular at 15ci and a mega at 22ci I'd be more inclined to look into it. At these lengths I believe FS is going to cannibalize their own sales.

[BrickHaus]

I disagree. 13,15,17 are essentially the same length as the 3 pin positions on a CAR style stock. Their target market was for in stock set ups so to me it makes total sense to have those three sizes.

A 22 ci tank would be too long for most as a tank stock.

[Chuck E Ducky]

Not sure about that. The 2” round tanks fit in all those mag fed stock kits. They are extremely popular and are one of the top selling products at the pro shop. They can’t keep them in stock and they are twice the price of a lifetime hydro 3k tank.

I sold my 15ci and purchased a 17ci for what it’s worth. I haven’t purchased a new tank since ninja put out the 45/45’s. If I had a use for the 13ci I would get one. Probably work perfectly on a back bottle setup. These tanks were already being sold they just brought them to the US market after insuring they meet safety requirements.

I would love to see a 45/9 but I know that market is way to small to make it worth it for them.

I know I’m more excited about this product then anything that has come out for a long time in paintball. I always thought the 45/45 was the perfect pump paintball tank then this thing dropped and it super happy with it. I love mine and love the extra volume and different length options.

[ChuckLove]

How do you like the length of that 17ci? I have a 15ci with a CP extender on it which feels perfect on my pumps. I'd imagine the 17ci is perfect on it's own without the need of an extender?

[Chuck E Ducky]

👌🏼 Perfect it’s the same length a a 17ci 3k with a ninja reg as is, even with the shorter FS reg. I’m still going to put my powerhouse reg on it that will add about 1/2” to the length but it’s perfect for me. You wouldn’t need the reg extender with the 17ci. I posted pictures of the different lengths on the FS tank thread. Next to a 17/3k and a 13/3k

[ChuckLove]

Chuck E Ducky Good to know. I'm considering selling my 15ci and grabbing the 17ci.

[Cunha]

Any diameter the same as a 45/45 or smaller makes for a good tank. Everything else is bulky as hell. Good players have no problem with fat ass tanks but man, I ain’t good and my best days tbh were with a 12oz co2 tank.

17ci is perfect length but diameter could be twice the size and still be a nice tank so like a 35ci 4500 would be the hyper tank if we’re getting to make super nice things. Or a 45/45 extra long skinny and I can run a drop if needed, but it would probably be just right

[djeclypse]

Any diameter the same as a 45/45 or smaller makes for a good tank. Everything else is bulky as hell. Good players have no problem with fat ass tanks but man, I ain’t good and my best days tbh were with a 12oz co2 tank.

17ci is perfect length but diameter could be twice the size and still be a nice tank so like a 35ci 4500 would be the hyper tank if we’re getting to make super nice things. Or a 45/45 extra long skinny and I can run a drop if needed, but it would probably be just right

The idea behind the 13/15/17ci 45k tanks is to fit in the stocks of magfed from my perspective. That's why they are just different lengths but the same width, diameter, circumference. I'm just curious why not expand the difference to a greater degree.

[Chuck E Ducky]

These CF tanks were already being manufactured. They just put there name on them and insured they are up to DOT safety standards. These length are the most popular sizes in that category. 22ci that 2” round is way to long for 95% of people unless you use a drop forward. Again not a popular option.

[Chuck E Ducky]

For pump a 3k 17ci is plenty for every day play. I ran one for years and it was my go to for even low cap semi play. Before that I used a 13ci 3k without issues.

These tanks give you a lil more in the same size package making it more universal. Is it worth double the price and having to hydro it for most probably not. These were definitely created for the in stock MagFed guys. With the exception of maybe one Magfed markers get terrible efficiency this helps shoot a few more mags. They just happen to have other use’s.

I really like mine on an emek running a low cap JoLo the narrow tank allows you to get super tight. I mainly use it on my pumps and for that it’s a bit over kill. We like nice things don’t we.

22 is to long and the 10 is a very niche market. I think they got it right honestly. For instance I purchased the 3k versions of these sizes and would not purchase $200+ ones I have to hydro.

[Cunha]

17/3k tank is nice but it’s low capacity except for speedball. In a bigger game with an open class pump it’s easy to use 150 shots or whatever

[Chuck E Ducky]

What are you shooting. I get 150 off a hot fill 9ci 3k. I had no issues with my pumps shooting 5/50s and a small hopper with my 17ci.3k

[Cunha]

Whatever I get out of a 17/3k isn’t enough for a long game that’s all I can say. It’s still a favorite tank.

But the next good size up is the 45/45. I was just here dreaming about something more like a 20oz in size.

filling up after every game isn’t the funnest even though the 17ci size is so cool and light and correct length

[Chuck E Ducky]

Agreed. I played probably 9 back to back games without filling the tank today on my Stick fed CCM you get a ton of shots out of my 17/4500 I’m really loving this thing. It was pretty busy and not having to wait on line for air was nice.

[Cunha]

The extra 50% shots on the 17/45 would be pretty amazing.