Planet Eclipse EMF-200 - like the original EMF but more AR-15 ish.

[The Inflicted]

The original emek was tool-less to pull the bolt out...

The emf100 is what? 2 screws. So I can save what? Minimum $300 by having one wrench handy?

As long as you don't use a stock you can leave the rear plate off of an EMF-100 and access the bolt with just one long 3/16" wrench.
With any of the Inception bodies the EMF becomes tool-less like the Emek, as long as you leave the rear plug only finger-tight.

Still, the EMF-200 improves on cleaning significantly. Having tool-less access to the reg and Pops parts is nice, but not the real improvement- In spite of having a bolt that's easy to remove, cleaning the original EMF was still kind of a chore. If you got hit in the gun the little M-lock ports would inject paint into the space between the inner body and outer shell, which was a real pain to clean without taking the whole gun apart and sliding the body out of the shell so that the whole thing could be run under running water in the sink. The new aluminum unibody lacks the paint-injector ports. Pretty much the same thing was required if you had a break in the chamber such that paint got into the magwell, since it was very hard to get into the bottom of it with a swab to get paint out of there. The new hinging trigger frame makes this a lot easier.

https://youtu.be/1XCWGzgOgO4?si=jLumH9t2FyQ5Pzhc&t=919

[The Inflicted]

ANS has them for pre-order for $900.

https://ansgear.com/cart.php?suggest=e6b52251-e417-441a-a6d3-7d0b9f654fbe

This guy already has in-game footage up, with scopecam clips.

[The Inflicted]

Further confirmation that the new curved magazines will fit the old guns:

[martix_agent]

Further confirmation that the new curved magazines will fit the old guns:

I didnt' realize this was even up for question. It would be insane for PE to make a magazine that only works with 1 of them.

[The Inflicted]

True, but what had not been confirmed visually is that it would look really spiffy.

[Toestr]

I'm kind of surprised they didn't integrate a lok bolt into the body.

[The Inflicted]

I'm kind of surprised they didn't integrate a lok bolt into the body.

As someone who enjoys using a warpmag from time to time that's a pretty disappointing omission. That would have helped with boxmag usage as well. The new magazines integrate bolt blockers into their followers but the legacy magazines don't have that feature.

[Toestr]

CF20s have bolt blockers and PE makes upgrade followers with blockers for Dye mags.

[Trbo323]

As someone who is definitely not milsim

I wouldn't have even noticed that there were now curved mags and the old ones were not if it wasn't pointed out.

I'm more excited that this will hopefully drive prices down on the 100 over anything that it has. Someday I would like to build a sniper setup.

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[martix_agent]

As someone who is definitely not milsim

I wouldn't have even noticed that there were now curved mags and the old ones were not if it wasn't pointed out.

I'm more excited that this will hopefully drive prices down on the 100 over anything that it has. Someday I would like to build a sniper setup.

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There's more information on the mag in the planet eclipse video they released on facebook. It's refreshing to see them always trying to improve and make a better product.

https://www.facebook.com/planeteclipsetv/videos/601282379448068

[vijil]

Electro actually makes MORE sense for milsim magfed than it does for speedball, because magfeds are inherently choppy, and it allows things like triple burst which makes sense for paintball.

The reason it's not common is because, for some reason, milsimmers seem to think it's important for milsim markers to not only look but also function similarly to real steel. Even if that means taking a gameplay hit to realism (no burst etc.)

I've shot some AR15. Nobody who has shot real steel could think this way. It doesn't matter what you do to a PB gun, you can never, never, never even get within an order of magnitude of the feel, sound, accuracy, range, heat or recoil of shooting real steel.

It just doesn't make sense. I can understand the desire to have realistic scenarios and certain limitations, but eschewing batteries because RS don't have batteries is a 60 IQ move. Now if you don't like batteries for other reasons such as having to buy and charge and maintain them, ok, I get that. You get a pass. For now ;p

[martix_agent]

Electro actually makes MORE sense for milsim magfed than it does for speedball, because magfeds are inherently choppy, and it allows things like triple burst which makes sense for paintball.

The reason it's not common is because, for some reason, milsimmers seem to think it's important for milsim markers to not only look but also function similarly to real steel. Even if that means taking a gameplay hit to realism (no burst etc.)

This brings an interesting point. Real steel doesn’t use batteries to achieve full auto or burst shots. How does that actually work?
im assuming that due to insurance reasons, mainstream paintball will never allow burst or full auto ( allowed at fields anyhow) so you’re kinda stuck with those limitations.

[Jordan]

I got curious too, so I googled it.

"How do 3 round burst weapons work?

There is a cam the engages when three round burst is selected. The cam prevents or allows the hammer from getting locked back requiring a release and repull of the trigger. With each shot, the cam rotates 60 degrees. There are two recesses on the cam that allow the burst disconnect to lock the hammer back."

[vijil]

Here in NZ insurance isn't really an issue. Full auto etc. are just fine - so long as the field allows it.

Most don't, unless it's a club day. Then it's open season.

[Trbo323]

This brings an interesting point. Real steel doesn't use batteries to achieve full auto or burst shots. How does that actually work?
im assuming that due to insurance reasons, mainstream paintball will never allow burst or full auto ( allowed at fields anyhow) so you're kinda stuck with those limitations.

Pretty much every design has it's own specific way of doing it but a lot of them use a ratcheting trigger group.

Could it be done in mechanical paintball? Maybe, the big problem is most firearms operate closer to blowbacks and to do burst or full auto you are letting the bolt(and in our case hammer) slam back and forth without regard to how hard they are hitting anything. In paintball that would mean the hammer, when in full auto would hit the valve harder than when in semi auto and would increase the velocity. Safety concern

https://youtu.be/ML7xJMEIdj4?si=tk4kNHvAx-gAVSdy

Electro actually makes MORE sense for milsim magfed than it does for speedball, because magfeds are inherently choppy, and it allows things like triple burst which makes sense for paintball.

I disagree with pretty much everything you said here. If you are having issues with chopping on a mag feed then you are having feed issues, that's nothing that having electronics are going to solve. Eyes might stop the bolt from coming forward but so do lock bolts.

3 shot burst, I think you are in an extreme minority that would want that. On a 20 round mag that's 7 pulls of the trigger to empty. Most mag feed players are looking to conserve their ammo not burn through it in 5 minutes then come back off the field. Not to mention the way a lot of e markers do 3 round burst is different than firearms. Not always but often in paintball if you pull that trigger it's firing 3 shots even if you release the trigger before it's fired the 3rd shot. Firearms, at least every case I've seen, if you release the trigger before the 3rd shot it stops firing. On an emf platform, put a hellfire full auto in it. Pull and hold for 3 shots and then release. No it won't stop on it's own if you hold the trigger, that would then be full auto but it's actually acting a lot more like 3 round burst in firearms than a lot of e markers will and it's all mechanical.

The reason it's not common is because, for some reason, milsimmers seem to think it's important for milsim markers to not only look but also function similarly to real steel. Even if that means taking a gameplay hit to realism (no burst etc.)

i think this is a pretty large generalization for your own feelings over the real reasons. For most players adding electronics gives them no advantage, makes the marker more expensive and is one more thing that can break.

I was (kids) a rock climber for a long time. Do you know why you don't use a carabineer when tying into your harness? Even though the carabineers are highly reliable and you do trust your life to them, it's one more thing that can break. It's just not necessary. You tie the rope directly to the harness going through 2 "hard points". Granted that's an extreme example with life and death consequences but the reasoning still holds. If someone has no advantage in using it, and it complicates the system, why bother?

I've shot some AR15. Nobody who has shot real steel could think this way. It doesn't matter what you do to a PB gun, you can never, never, never even get within an order of magnitude of the feel, sound, accuracy, range, heat or recoil of shooting real steel.

It just doesn't make sense. I can understand the desire to have realistic scenarios and certain limitations, but eschewing batteries because RS don't have batteries is a 60 IQ move. Now if you don't like batteries for other reasons such as having to buy and charge and maintain them, ok, I get that. You get a pass. For now ;p

I think a fear of batteries was at least a little justified early on for e markers because the electronics were not as reliable. The marketing around milsim stuff stoked those fires as well. Dedicated woodsball and milsim players would do stuff like dunk the whole marker in a pool, take it out and dry fire like that was some kind of a realistic scenario on the field.

That and in those days pretty much all the milsim stuff was still hopper fed and all blowbacks so there were real tangible benefits to the e markers. Today though, the e marker designs have really stagnated while the mechanicals have come a long way and introduction of stuff like FSR give real benefits to the mag feed players.


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[TF_Aloha]

I think a big part of the aversion to batteries in Magfed isn't even about mil-sim. Rather, it's just a rejection of rapid fire in general. A lot of people who've been in the game for a while experienced speedball and the speedball-ization of most rec play and wanted something different. Magfed offers that just like pump does, but since Magfed still allows semi-auto, you can kinda mitigate the effects of bad paint that has on pump. If bad paint means that you should expect to miss the first several shots just due to paint, not skill, pump can become unbearable. Magfed allows a quick burst so you can find the accurate ball quickly, but still deletes laning. Electronic triggers and the box-mags that usually accompany them brings speedball gameplay onto the magfed field, which is something I think many people actively just don't want.

[Cyrus-the-virus]

I have to agree with TF_Aloha on most points. Though, I DO want a EMF100 with a box mag so I can relive the warpfeed/q-loader days.

[scrounger]

I would love to add the box mag to my emf100 as well
give the best of both worlds of a "box mag" but with ability not to have to change mags all the time with ease of hopper refill.
the look also is not taking away from magfed but looking like the box feed on modern machine guns.

win win win

but the cost (600 plus cost of rotor to swap parts or 700 plus right out of the box) is not in budget at this time

scrounger

[nak81783]

If PE continues to invest in mag fed, it gives me hope there’s more than just speedball in paintball’s future. I don’t necessarily need mag fed or first strikes, and I’m not into but also not against the milsim group, but some form of limited paint and slower ROF would be great. I don’t know if we’ll get back to stock class pump, but some combination of mag fed, limited paint, and/or first strikes (hopefully at a better price if more people use them), would be great.

Thanks to uv_halo for keeping Tom Kaye’s quote (and a link to it at AO) in his signature. Couldn’t find it elsewhere. May not apply to many of us on MCB but certainly the bulk of the industry. Between products like this and much more talk of many fields realizing rentals are their bread and butter, I’m encouraged.

‘Unfortunately all of you have played the one "speedball" game of paintball for so long you can't conceive of other ways to do this and hence any new ideas seem stupid.‘

[scrounger]

im going to throw my 2 cents here

First people have to realize is (while popular) is a niche sport.. Granted more numbers of players that "niche" is not exactly accurate, but it is not main stream as say baseball/basketball/soccer.
so (sadly unlike the late 80's to say early 2000) not a big money making market.

hence why say (yes maybe name off but bear with me here) you see more etha 2/3 than luxe markers (want to say guns).

second... magfed while growing in popularity, is a small percentage within the paintball market.
there is only what thee or so types of magfed lines (including pistols) with one marker (the dye dam) filling the "high end expensive" role.

third... given that the market is quite small the idea of a second "high end" magfed marker on the surface seems not very viable.

fourth... there is already in the emf100 a decent priced magfed, with durable cf20 mags that can be customized. On durable mechanical system and as bonus can be used with a regular hopper with minimal/quick two part (dummy mag and feed neck) put on (comes with it too)

fifth... any paintball product that is "improved" the "improvement" has to be good enough to JUSTIFY the increased cost.

so where am i going with this... please bear with me, had to set up with some backstory facts.

The emf200 and CF20 pro has some quite nice "upgrades".
however, the problem is alot of the "upgrades" IMO dont justify the hefty increase in price.

here is what i mean

the CF 20 pro magazines claim to use more metal and smoother finish internals.
however the original CF20 is much cheaper, two colors and works flawlessly overall
with BIG ISSUE it does NOT HOLD MORE PAINTBALLS, just curved
the "curve" is a persona preference, not an upgrade worthy of higher price tag.

the emf 200 itself does have nice upgrades like a more straight tank stock function.
the ar15/m-16 magazine release is IMO a really great upgrade.
but the look is quite subjective and limiting (especially no color choices).
with DOWNGRADE (unless im missing something) your pure magfed, no choice of hopper.

all this for a 300 to 500 cost increase with only getting two mags with it, nothing more.

now let me say here if you like this and can afford it, all the power to you.. not knocking you in anyway.

however, more people have limited funds and want more REAL "bang for the buck" for something right out of the gate and/or upgraded items (like the magazines).

this doesnt seem to fit that bill and going more to emulate the "high end electro" marker category that standard markers have.

look IMO before going to this they should have gone the "old company smart parts" method of making parts, upgrades, accessories that when one buys the emf100 they can customize it to their personal tastes, play style and when income is available.

easer to sell individual parts at start lower cost to the consumer but in the end over time will be spending amount the new "emf200" is but get a marker the consumer wants.

in short taken what makes the emf200 and sell it first as parts to upgrade the emf100 platform and first see if a "new emf" is really needed or wanted as a whole.

look for me my EMF100 HDE (on order to be honest and open) is more economically viable and later can upgrade to what i want.

lastly

my fear is while they claim the EMF100 will always be made as "companion" to the EMF200.
that in reality to try to increase sales they will discontinue it so as not really choice but to get the more expensive one.

scrounger

[martix_agent]

im going to throw my 2 cents here

First people have to realize is (while popular) is a niche sport.. Granted more numbers of players that "niche" is not exactly accurate, but it is not main stream as say baseball/basketball/soccer.
so (sadly unlike the late 80's to say early 2000) not a big money making market.

hence why say (yes maybe name off but bear with me here) you see more etha 2/3 than luxe markers (want to say guns).

second... magfed while growing in popularity, is a small percentage within the paintball market.
there is only what thee or so types of magfed lines (including pistols) with one marker (the dye dam) filling the "high end expensive" role.

third... given that the market is quite small the idea of a second "high end" magfed marker on the surface seems not very viable.

fourth... there is already in the emf100 a decent priced magfed, with durable cf20 mags that can be customized. On durable mechanical system and as bonus can be used with a regular hopper with minimal/quick two part (dummy mag and feed neck) put on (comes with it too)

fifth... any paintball product that is "improved" the "improvement" has to be good enough to JUSTIFY the increased cost.

so where am i going with this... please bear with me, had to set up with some backstory facts.

The emf200 and CF20 pro has some quite nice "upgrades".
however, the problem is alot of the "upgrades" IMO dont justify the hefty increase in price.

here is what i mean

the CF 20 pro magazines claim to use more metal and smoother finish internals.
however the original CF20 is much cheaper, two colors and works flawlessly overall
with BIG ISSUE it does NOT HOLD MORE PAINTBALLS, just curved
the "curve" is a persona preference, not an upgrade worthy of higher price tag.

the emf 200 itself does have nice upgrades like a more straight tank stock function.
the ar15/m-16 magazine release is IMO a really great upgrade.
but the look is quite subjective and limiting (especially no color choices).
with DOWNGRADE (unless im missing something) your pure magfed, no choice of hopper.

all this for a 300 to 500 cost increase with only getting two mags with it, nothing more.

now let me say here if you like this and can afford it, all the power to you.. not knocking you in anyway.

however, more people have limited funds and want more REAL "bang for the buck" for something right out of the gate and/or upgraded items (like the magazines).

this doesnt seem to fit that bill and going more to emulate the "high end electro" marker category that standard markers have.

look IMO before going to this they should have gone the "old company smart parts" method of making parts, upgrades, accessories that when one buys the emf100 they can customize it to their personal tastes, play style and when income is available.

easer to sell individual parts at start lower cost to the consumer but in the end over time will be spending amount the new "emf200" is but get a marker the consumer wants.

in short taken what makes the emf200 and sell it first as parts to upgrade the emf100 platform and first see if a "new emf" is really needed or wanted as a whole.

look for me my EMF100 HDE (on order to be honest and open) is more economically viable and later can upgrade to what i want.

lastly

my fear is while they claim the EMF100 will always be made as "companion" to the EMF200.
that in reality to try to increase sales they will discontinue it so as not really choice but to get the more expensive one.

scrounger

There are no plans to discontinue the EMF100. The EMF200 was developed so Planet Eclipse can provide a good 1:1 training weapon for people they are already supplying/ in hopes they may get more. I'm not certain they're going to heavily market it to the paintball players, but it will always be an option.