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    Just scolded a neighbor kid for stealing + destroying vegetables from my garden.

    My wife and I were talking on the couch about our days at work when out the window I saw some neighbor kids walking past on the sidewalk. It's a group of kids that have all the potential in the world to grow up in prison, sadly. One in the group was lagging behind. I heard muffles of him talking to the others ahead of him. Then I saw a butternut squash rolling down the sidewalk...

    I leapt up from the couch and ran to the door. My wife was extremely confused and asked what was going on. I went out the front door, down the steps, and around to the side yard where the kid had tossed the beat up squash into the grass. I stopped him there on the sidewalk with "Hey, that's a squash from my garden. You've stolen that, and destroyed it." He stopped but didn't seem to care. I could hear his buddies behind me. I proceeded to tell him that I raise food for my family to eat, that he stole the vegetable and that stealing is a bad thing. I informed him that the destruction of said produce is vandalism. It appeared to me that he was attempting to hold in laughter. I responded by telling him it isn't funny. Stealing and destroying other people's things isn't funny. It's a bad thing.

    I then told him I was going to go back in the house because I was REALLY mad and I wanted to cool off. I said I didn't want to leave him in a bloody heap on the sidewalk. He was visibly scared and near ready to cry. I told him that what I thought would happen next is that he would go over to the park with his buddies and laugh about this talk. He shook his head no. I got down to his level and explained how all of our watermelons and cantaloupes were stolen last year, how he did indeed do a bad thing but how that doesn't mean he's a bad kid. I told him I did not believe he was a bad kid and that I didn't want him growing up continuing to do this kind of stuff. I asked him if he understood. He said yes. Then I told him to go on, get along to your buddies.


    It's upsetting that this happened. These kids were once beating up on each other in the park across the street from my house and I approached them in order to make sure something wasn't happening to someone whom didn't want that something happening to them. All was fine that day, just horseplay, however one of the kids stubbornly and arrogantly said "Your not my elder." I've seen another kid kick a big ol' rock at a brand new car and put a big ol' dent in the driver door. These kids are 11 or 12. The filth of language that pours from their mouth is over the top. The volume of that language too. They need not be crucified but something needs to change in their lives.
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    Sounds like some punks that need to be scared straight. Do you know their parents? If so then that’s the next place I’d go. If their parents don’t care & won’t do anything about it then i don’t know what other choice you have but to call the police the next time something like this happens. The best thing for them might be a nice thick belt across their asses but unfortunately you’d be the one in the back of a cruiser when it was all said & done. I had a similar experience years ago. I had a couple of dogs that i was trying to find a home for outside my house in a pen. I was getting ready to leave one day when i saw a couple kids by the pen. I watched for a few seconds & saw one of them throwing rocks at the dogs. I pretty quickly put my truck in reverse & pulled up beside them. When i asked what they were doing the rock chunking kid cursed at me & said he would kick my ass if i got out. Well about as quick as i put the truck in park & started to get out they made a wise decision & took off running. I didn’t really know them or their parents but i was able to find out from some neighbors where he lived. I went to the house & knocked on the door but no one answered. Later that day i got a call from the kid’s mother (neighbors told her i was looking for them). I made it abundantly clear that the next time i saw that kid anywhere near my house i was calling the county sheriffs dpt. Not long after that the kid showed up at my door apologizing. That was the first & last time i had any trouble out of him.

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      #3
      We had a couple of punks being punks a few months ago. Were walking down the street opening mailboxes and looking in. I deal in a lot of collectibles, so don't play around with porch pirates. I confronted him and he was scared but wasn't the least bit apologetic. Called the cops on his butt.
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        #4
        Kids are young & impressionable (for good and bad) and I, for one, always remembered when someone got on my case about something I did. You expressed your anger but also, judging by your 3rd paragraph, spoke rather wholesomely, letting him know that it's not the way he should be. Sounds like you gave him a thorough talkin' to that he will remember.

        It's also good to not get the police involved if you can avoid it. Sometimes kids need to learn stuff the hard way, but that doesn't necessarily mean calling the cops. Sometimes the kid just had some poor guidance and/or friends & needs a wake-up. And police departments are under enough stress as it is & don't get the help they need in areas that they shouldn't necessarily be dealing with.

        I think you did a good job Scottie.
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          #5
          Should have made him eat the squash in front of you, raw and in its entirety.
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            #6
            I cannot recommend enough that you arrange a sit down with each or better all of the parents and bring to light to them the way their kids are acting. Will be even better if you can show hard evidence. I bet they have no idea. IF they do and don't care, even worse.

            I would be on the lookout for minor mischief over it.
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            • Falcon16

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              Kids like this that are allowed to wander probably have parents that are either druggies or alcoholics or simply don't care what their kids do, ie hippie free spirit bullshit.

              the OP is far more lenient than I would have been. I'd have told him in no uncertain terms I catch him doing that again I will phone the police and will make sure it's dealt with.

            • bellicose

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              It's "free-range parenting", and unfortunately, lawsuits have made it legal in many states.

            #7
            I'm gonna be the lone voice of dissention and opine that while you are fully justified to respond to thievery and vandalism, you probably crossed a line when you told a 12 year old that "[...] I didn't want to leave him in a bloody heap on the sidewalk", over a $3 butternut squash.

            Except where you witness illegal or dangerous activity, your interest in these kids should end at your property line. You can't raise someone else's kids. Set up a camera and call the parents or police as you see fit, but don't put yourself in a position to commit a worse crime against a minor in a moment of anger.
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            • Rusty Brass

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              Whoever said that led a very sheltered life.

            • Flounder

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              Pretty sure that was a cartoon character.

            • Rusty Brass

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              Explains a bit.

            #8
            Today I found an empty 5 quart oil jug in the garden. Oil has been dumped on a number of plants and some other plants trampled.

            The group is at present harassing an upstanding immigrant family in the park across the street.
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              #9
              Ah hell no! Turn that jug into the cops. Almost guaranteed that those dumb little shits didn't wear gloves. That could possibly be an EPA violation or 2. Hopefully, those kids are currently still doing stupid stuff close by when the cops show up.


              Edit... Dang I sound like a grumpy old man!
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              • maggot
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                Let's be honest, cops aren't going to run prints on that thing. I do think calling them is the right thing to do, but they're not going to go all CSI on these kids. They don't even bother to collect prints for b/e around here.

              • Carp

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                Maggot you're most likely correct.
                But, I'd argue, to the cops, that is hazardous waste dumped on your food supply. And you are worried for your families safety.

              • maggot
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                I hear you 100%. It IS a big deal, I get that. I'm just doubtful any real action is taken on this crime.

              #10
              Originally posted by scottieb View Post
              Today I found an empty 5 quart oil jug in the garden. Oil has been dumped on a number of plants and some other plants trampled.

              The group is at present harassing an upstanding immigrant family in the park across the street.
              wow you got a real gang of cunts. Yeah times have changed so your probably best to just let authorities handle it. Touch a kid under almost all circumstances, you are done. Once they know they cant act up in your neighborhood without cops pulling up they will move on to somewhere else.

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                Originally posted by MrKittyCatMeowFace View Post

                wow you got a real gang of cunts. Yeah times have changed so your probably best to just let authorities handle it. Touch a kid under almost all circumstances, you are done. Once they know they cant act up in your neighborhood without cops pulling up they will move on to somewhere else.
                Agreed with this.

                I certainly wasn't pour motor oil on a persons vegetable garden bad when I was a kid, but I definitely had a serious attitude problem and a distrust of authority. When adults scolded me for doing dumb shit, it just made me mad at them. It's honorable to speak to him from the heart and try to get him to change his path, but when he tells you he understands, he's lying. He was about to cry because you were probably the first person to threaten him with tangible consequences.

                You're not his parent and it's not your responsibility for him to grow up right. Unfortunately the person who is responsible hasn't done a fantastic job so far. Police talking to him about it will probably scare the shit out of him, so I would go that route.

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                • Rusty Brass

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                  Could be just another Friday afternoon for him too though.

                • RAZRBAKK

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                  True, but it might get him to leave this particular house alone.

                #12
                Sorry they spoiled your garden, Scottieb. Along with the police, consider contacting CPS.
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                • bellicose

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                  Yeah, CPS is a good idea.
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