Tom Kaye and DB Cooper

[ford]

I assume y’all follow Tom Kaye’s YouTube channel but if you don’t, I’ll link his discussion on dating Cooper bills using diatoms.

[Brokeass_baller]

Seems Tom isn't done

https://www.the-sun.com/news/10176979/db-cooper-dna-anaylsis-skyjacking-unsolved-mystery/

Not sure how they know they have coopers DNA with "100% certainty" and not say, any investigator who has ever handled the evidence but hell, test that, see what comes of it!

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TK explained it pretty well on Facebook. Basically, they have ALL of the DNA of EVERYTHING that's EVER touched the money. Using the same technology and processes that they use to uncover dinosaur DNA, they can unscramble all of the genetic material, match up the non-human material with their database to rule them out, and there you go.

[Brokeass_baller]

Trbo323 I screen cap'd TK's post and cropped it for easy reading. Should be in order.

[Trbo323]

I assume y'all follow Tom Kaye's YouTube channel but if you don't, I'll link his discussion on dating Cooper bills using diatoms.

I did not know about this. It does raise a few more questions for me though

1) seems Tom isn't considering the age of the money and it's location on the rubber bands at all, at least not from this short video, so I'm kind of curious where that came from now. Even in the video he says the rubber bands fell apart as soon as the money was dug up.

2) there's something that's a little contradicting in my mind, or at least overlooked. At the start of the video he says the diatoms create a sort of glass shell and even after the diatom itself dies the glass shell remains. The specific species they found only bloom in the spring. But I don't understand the connection between finding those diatoms and that meaning the money was moved. In my mind it just means that the money was in the river in ANY spring between the hijacking and finding the money if what he was saying about that glass shell remaining is true. If anything it would be more telling if they DIDN'T find that species.

TK explained it pretty well on Facebook. Basically, they have ALL of the DNA of EVERYTHING that's EVER touched the money. Using the same technology and processes that they use to uncover dinosaur DNA, they can unscramble all of the genetic material, match up the non-human material with their database to rule them out, and there you go.

That's quite the explanation, thanks for posting all that

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[Shane-O]

If I recall correctly, the Diatoms were from farther up river than where it was found, they were able to distinguish differences of diatoms based on location in the river. I could be wrong though.

[ford]

Yea, I don't claim to be brilliant but I think what TK is inferring is based on this evidence you know DB could not have dropped out of the sky, ended up on the Tina bar beach, buried the money, giggled at the joke he was playing and skipped off to live the rest of his secret life.

Now, it does not refute some idea like, DB died on impact in November.. the money sat by him all winter til heavy rains in the spring pushed in downstream... and then somehow to buried on the beach? Dunno. Such a weird case.

[martix_agent]

Is there still a monetary reward for finding who DB cooper actually was, and where he is at? It seems there's a ton of time and resources being used to solve what has essentially been a cold case for decades. Is anyone making an income while doing this research?


Fact of the matter is that DB cooper would be close to his 80's at this point if he even is alive. He's never going to be found.

[DocsMachine]

Is there still a monetary reward for finding who DB cooper actually was, and where he is at? It seems there's a ton of time and resources being used to solve what has essentially been a cold case for decades. Is anyone making an income while doing this research?

-Is this even a serious question? Millions of people worldwide do things like this just for the fun of it. There are hackers who break into servers just to prove that they can. People will attempt to crack codes just for the mental exercise. How much time has been wasted trying to decode the Voynich Manuscript? Reading rolled up scrolls from Pompeii?

Humans are an inherently curious species- it's what helped us survive and develop a society. The Cooper case is one of the more famous mysteries out there- along with the disappearances of Amelia Earhart, Jimmy Hoffa and Judge Crater.

If you have the time, will and infrastructure to chase these down, why not? Some people spend 3,000 hours playing a video game. Or two months putting together a LEGO Millennium Falcon. Why not try to solve an unsolvable mystery?

Doc.

[Trbo323]

the disappearances of Amelia Earhart,

I thought that one was finally solved? My memory on this is a little fuzzy but It was at least a few years ago but I recall there was an island that they originally thought she may have ended up at. Problem was they found a skeleton on the island a long time ago but it was classified as male. Someone more recently had a second look at that skeleton and figured it was misclassified and was actually female. They don't have her DNA to confirm and still haven't found her plane but it's basically the only thing that fits the evidence there is.

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[martix_agent]

-Is this even a serious question? Millions of people worldwide do things like this just for the fun of it. There are hackers who break into servers just to prove that they can. People will attempt to crack codes just for the mental exercise. How much time has been wasted trying to decode the Voynich Manuscript? Reading rolled up scrolls from Pompeii?


Doc.

with the amount of time and money being spent on it, I have to assume they're making money with it somehow. People do hobbies for small costs, but nothing in the scale that this has/is being worked on.

[Trbo323]

Speaking of Amelia though. This just popped up into my news feed

https://www.businessinsider.com/sonar-image-pilot-amelia-earhart-plane-found-pacific-ocean-2024

Also Martix, seems some people have deep DEEP pockets for this kind of thing.

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[DocsMachine]

with the amount of time and money being spent on it, I have to assume they're making money with it somehow. People do hobbies for small costs, but nothing in the scale that this has/is being worked on.

-You mean like Bezos spending a quarter of a billion to go into space? How about Felix Baumgartner, who skydived from twenty-four miles up, and broke the sound barrier on the way down?

It costs on average something like $100,000 to attempt an ascent of Everest- and literally thousands of people a year do that. A big-game hunt in Africa can cost even more- and enough hunters come in every year that's a major source of income to certain areas.

How much do people spend on drag racers? A Top Fuel car can use $20K in just fuel at a single event. What's the point of that? Noise, smoke, and all you get is some numbers on a printed slip.

I thought that one was finally solved?

-As I recall, it's more or less rumored to be solved, but nobody can prove it.

Supposedly skeletal remains were found on a island, but as I understand it, the actual bones were later lost.

The supposition is they landed on the island, which was too small to support much life, they tried to radio for help but got no reply, and eventually ran out of food and water. It's presumed the bodies were eaten by crabs, and weather blew the plane offshore where it eventually sank.

It's kind of like Hoffa- they're pretty sure who picked him up, and who probably killed him and where, and have reason to believe the body was destroyed in a trash incinerator. They just can't prove any of it.

Doc.

[Trbo323]

-You mean like Bezos spending a quarter of a billion to go into space? How about Felix Baumgartner, who skydived from twenty-four miles up, and broke the sound barrier on the way down?

It costs on average something like $100,000 to attempt an ascent of Everest- and literally thousands of people a year do that. A big-game hunt in Africa can cost even more- and enough hunters come in every year that's a major source of income to certain areas.

How much do people spend on drag racers? A Top Fuel car can use $20K in just fuel at a single event. What's the point of that? Noise, smoke, and all you get is some numbers on a printed slip.



-As I recall, it's more or less rumored to be solved, but nobody can prove it.

Supposedly skeletal remains were found on a island, but as I understand it, the actual bones were later lost.

The supposition is they landed on the island, which was too small to support much life, they tried to radio for help but got no reply, and eventually ran out of food and water. It's presumed the bodies were eaten by crabs, and weather blew the plane offshore where it eventually sank.

It's kind of like Hoffa- they're pretty sure who picked him up, and who probably killed him and where, and have reason to believe the body was destroyed in a trash incinerator. They just can't prove any of it.

Doc.

That makes sense.

With any luck though that radar return is the plane and we will at least have proof of where they ended up. Maybe not what actually happened but still, little closer to closure

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[martix_agent]

-You mean like Bezos spending a quarter of a billion to go into space? How about Felix Baumgartner, who skydived from twenty-four miles up, and broke the sound barrier on the way down?

It costs on average something like $100,000 to attempt an ascent of Everest- and literally thousands of people a year do that. A big-game hunt in Africa can cost even more- and enough hunters come in every year that's a major source of income to certain areas.

How much do people spend on drag racers? A Top Fuel car can use $20K in just fuel at a single event. What's the point of that? Noise, smoke, and all you get is some numbers on a printed slip.


Doc.

Some of these are sponsored events where a marketing company is footing a large amount of the bill. Maybe not Bazos, but he's so rich that was like us spending $100 on something.
The hunting and climbing stuff though... I guess I'm never going to have "fuck you" money for things like that. I can't even phantom having that, and I feel like I'm doing ok in life.

[DocsMachine]

With any luck though that radar return is the plane and we will at least have proof of where they ended up. Maybe not what actually happened but still, little closer to closure.

-Reading the Wiki article, it seems the prevailing, and perhaps most likely theory is that she ran out of fuel, crashed into the ocean and sank.

The found remains, as you noted, were considered male, and re-evaluation of that was done mainly from written descriptions, since the bones themselves have been lost. They did a DNA test on what they believed were some fragments from them, and those were also determined to be male.

Which is of course not impossible, as her navigator was a guy. Except the description was of a short male, and the navigator was supposed to tallish.

BUT... that's the key to the whole thing, here- people want to know. I didn't compare the possible location in that article to the supposed island landing from the earlier descriptions, but if they're many miles apart, that would put down the theory they landed on a small island and starved.

The Wiki article notes that considerable effort head been made in support of the flight- mainly radio and direction finding to lead them to the islands- but that it was not well planned, and a series of mistakes made it even worse. Nothing malicious, of course, just having to deal with what would have been to us, crude, primitive and unreliable radio gear.

Some of these are sponsored events where a marketing company is footing a large amount of the bill. Maybe not Bazos, but he's so rich that was like us spending $100 on something.

-Yes, and...? You and I spend money to go out and shoot people with globs of encapsulated food coloring. There have been times I've spent an entire paycheck on a gun to do just that.

Some people will sit at home and spend 3,000 hours beating a video game. I know guys that have $10,000 in 3D printers, and don't do much more than print parts for their kids RC cars. How many people here have a lathe they spent $1,000 or more on, just to make a couple of 'Cocker parts they could have bought used for $40?

Tom has been 'scientifically curious' since before he started AGD, and has a list of accomplishments that would impress anyone. He's not the kind of guy that goes "gee, I wonder what happens when we mix vinegar and baking soda?" He's the type that tries to use laser fluoroscopy to identify fossil minerals. The Cooper case is a challenge, and one he finds interesting. Why not look into it?

Doc.