How much force does a Halo B produce?

[Euphie]

So, I have been looking at warpless halo setups, I really liked my warp feed, people really have bad things to say about the Qloader but, there is this information out there on the Warpless halo. The question is just how much force does this thing put out, can I actually feed 15 paintballs up a tube against gravity and get any sort of feed rate out of one? I know there was a thread here that talked alot about it that has been lost.

Also maybe I am missing something but, couldn't you just put an elbow on the feedneck of the hopper itself and run the tube from that, or is doing it from the raceway important to the design working?

[Brokeass_baller]

I don't know all of the details, as I've never built one. But Halos do provide enough force to fight gravity and feed at a good speed. Here's a YouTube demonstration of one build: https://youtu.be/qk7wf2FZt-U
I've also seen people use BoxMag guts in their Rotors and do the same thing.

[Euphie]

I don't know all of the details, as I've never built one. But Halos do provide enough force to fight gravity and feed at a good speed. Here's a YouTube demonstration of one build: https://youtu.be/qk7wf2FZt-U
I've also seen people use BoxMag guts in their Rotors and do the same thing.

this is good enough for me, I have gathered what little information is around and ordered a reloader b, my odyssey Halo doesn’t do the sound stuff. Since there isn’t any good info on this since it was lost I guess I will do a write up and perhaps video tutorial if I succeed. I figure if I am gonna get back into the paintball community I ought to pay the information forward if I can.

I really did enjoy playing with a warp feed and since I use 100 round pods anyway I am not at all worried about capacity loss.

[Jordan]

Running a couple of 90° bends off the feedneck creates unnecessary friction... straight off the raceway is a direct route that offers fewer changes in direction.

[Brokeass_baller]

There's also this thing. Just slap a Rotor on top of this adapter and insert it into your magfed marker that uses Dye DAM mags, and that's it. If you are dead set on using an Automag as a primary, there's a guy here named ghost flanker (or something like that) who does (or could help you out with) magfed conversions for Automags, using DAM mags.

But, you're kinda stuck with only using it on that marker.

https://youtu.be/iB89BFWbmKY

[Euphie]

Okay, went to the Home Depot today, and got a few parts. I took a stock Halo B and I put an Empire Reloader B2 board in it (They are on sale less than $20 online), to do some initial testing. It is kinda insane just how much faster the Reloader B2 board is in a Halo with just some new electronics, nothing physical changing about the board. It appears that the B2 board will feed a pro-team products warp hose to it's fullest extent with 2 90 degree bends even with the tension sensor on.

A bit of tape, turning the speed to 5 and the sensitivity to 5, and the tension off with a 45 degree elbow coming out of the normal hopper bottom (not direct from the raceway) and a 90 degree bend going into an angel feedneck stuck into a pod and the hose extended a bit more than it would be if mounted from the bottomline of an Angel LCD to where a vertical highrise feed would be, it will feed a 100 round pod in about 3 seconds. It is worth noting though that a fair bit of balls stay stuck in the tube, so the overall number in the pod is a little less than 100 so it doesn't quite feed at 33bps probably somewhere in the range closer to 20bps but I didn't count the exact number of balls stuck in the tube and I used a mechanical stop watch so I don't have ultra precision on time either.

So, I can confirm now, you don't actually need any permanent modifications at all to attain more than enough speed even with 2 90 degree bends and a 45 degree bend and one of those 90 degree bends can be completely eliminated by altering the raceway.

So now I have to do a bit of a write up, take some photos record some data, and then see if I can quantify how much the bends actually effect the feed rate. I am unconvinced at this point that it is necessary or worth it to modify the raceway as you lose some hopper capacity and I can't see a need to feed 20+ shots a second in most contexts. I also have purchased a Reloader B, it doesn't seem to produce nearly the same tension as my Halo B does though, so I am unsure if there is something wrong with it or if Empire simply included a weaker spring. I will do testing to see if you really need a B2 board or if the original Reloader B board will work with it's lack of settings to control.

So Tl;DR: A Halo B produces more force than a normal sized warp hose can stretch, some sort of longer than stock hose would be needed to find the limits. This means the Warpless Halo mod seems more than viable at least with a Reloader B2 board in the Halo B.

[Jordan]

I suspect that while your setup will work in a free flowing scenario, once you add in the stop and go nature of a marker shooting, plus jostling from running around, etc, that you'll have issues.

At least, I did when attempting the same thing.

Interested in seeing your testing results, though.

[Euphie]

I suspect that while your setup will work in a free flowing scenario, once you add in the stop and go nature of a marker shooting, plus jostling from running around, etc, that you'll have issues.

At least, I did when attempting the same thing.

Interested in seeing your testing results, though.

You could be right for sure, though I hope not. I will probably do a week or so of testing before I am ready to try and setups at the chrono.

I will say I am very perplexed by the difference between the Halo with B2 board and Reloader B. I can't really replicate the performance at all on my Reloader B but, it will for certain drive the balls up the hose but only one or two a second. I can physically turn the ripdrive far faster than it is feeding. That and fully wound some balls will pop out of the reloader B but the Halo B will shoot them clear across the room. I am finding it very hard to believe that the only differences between these two are electrical. It appears that even in a plain drop test the Halo is hugely faster too, which again doesn't really make all that much sense to me. The Reloader does have a Rip Drive and a 4 cell battery pack and the Halo has a 6 cell battery pack, so I will test more and see if the batteries are a factor but, this performance seems highly inconsistent between the two. I might have to take apart the Reloader just to make sure it was all put back together right by the last owner.

Also I bought both PVC pipe fittings and copper ones and it just doesn't seem the PVC ones work. They can snug up to the outside of the hose so they seem perfect and balls will feed through them, but once the hose gets tight into the fitting it just won't feed past the PVC fittings. The copper ones haven't really presented too much of an issue though admittedly for my testing right now I am just taping the stuff together so there isn't much pressure on anything yet.

Once my Raceway comes in from I&I sports I will get to creating a modded raceway and see how big of a difference it makes. Currently the plan is to use a dremel to cut the raceway and then use moldable epoxy to attach an elbow to it, this way I can get the exact shape I want. I am a bit uncertain of exactly how I am going to attach the hose to the Elbow inside of the shell, as clamps seem like they would shred paint as the B2 board flings paint with absolutely extreme force once the paint gets a little low.